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re: Bundy Ranch - What You're Not Being Told
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:11 pm to Phideaux
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:11 pm to Phideaux
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Interesting, if the land is protected then how does a company but the rights to tear it up to place solar panels?
Congress has explicit constitutional authority to sell or manage the land in question. The solar panels would go up on land that's already been sold.
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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What gives the government a right to change the nature of a contract mid-lease?
What contract? There was no contract.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:12 pm to Rex
Rex you didn't really answer his question now, did ya?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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What gives the government a right to change the nature of a contract mid-lease?
Taylor Grazing Act of 1934
Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:14 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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This could have been done with the local county sheriff going to his door and saying "Sorry buddy, you didn't pay taxes on these cattle, I'm gonna have to confiscate them."
Oh come on... you seriously think so?
Mr. Bundy's objection to the Feds is a canard because he wants things his own way. You can bet that he'd be appealing to the Feds for help and citing the sheriff's lack of authority if he ever got such a knock on his door.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:15 pm to Rex
quote:What was the agreement with Bundy prior to 1993?
What contract? There was no contract.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:16 pm to NC_Tigah
I am no fan of ranchers getting access to large swaths of land for grazing for all sorts of reasons but this display of force by the feds is out of control in this situation.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:16 pm to fleaux
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Rex you didn't really answer his question now, did ya?
Yes, I did.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:17 pm to Rex
General question to those fighting certain points.
Why did BLM admit on their webpage (which was later removed) that the cattle needed to be gone for the energy project to proceed?
Why did BLM admit on their webpage (which was later removed) that the cattle needed to be gone for the energy project to proceed?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:17 pm to Rex
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Oh come on... you seriously think so?
Doesn't matter what I think. 200 armed men showed up to take his property. That's what I want the talking to be if I'm running an establishment candidate from either party.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:17 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Will cows cause harm to the turtles?
Will cows ause same to the solar panels......assuming the are built off the ground?
Will cows ause same to the solar panels......assuming the are built off the ground?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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What was the agreement with Bundy prior to 1993?
Pay your fees and you get to graze your cattle. There was never any contract that the BLM had to manage the land according to Mr. Bundy's wishes. If you think so, produce it. I'll admit I'm wrong.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:21 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Why did BLM admit on their webpage (which was later removed) that the cattle needed to be gone for the energy project to proceed?
That's not the only reason the cattle needed to be gone, so that's mostly a ruse. But theenemy has already answered that question. It gives the BLM flexibility to manage wildlife away from the area that's been sold to the solar plant.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:21 pm to NC_Tigah
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What was the agreement with Bundy prior to 1993
There was no agreement with Bundy.
Bundy was able to pay for grazing rights and allow his cattle to graze on public land set aside for grazing pursuant to the law.
When Bundy quit paying the grazing rights he lost permission to graze his cattle on public land set aside for grazing.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:25 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Why did BLM admit on their webpage (which was later removed) that the cattle needed to be gone for the energy project to proceed?
Because the enregy plant cant be built until the tortoise habitat is moved.
Tortoise habitat cannot be used for cattle grazing.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:26 pm to theenemy
So is this about him not paying his taxes or the solar plant?
serious question
serious question
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:28 pm to CBLSU316
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Will cows cause harm to the turtles?
Will cows ause same to the solar panels......assuming the are built off the ground?
You should have just stayed in left field.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:32 pm to Rex
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That's not the only reason the cattle needed to be gone, so that's mostly a ruse. But theenemy has already answered that question. It gives the BLM flexibility to manage wildlife away from the area that's been sold to the solar plant.
You two are literally insane to think this is about wildlife.
The major players in the government, at BLM, and the energy company are all connected.
Billions of dollars are at stake.
This isn't about turtles.
I can't decide if it's hilarious or sad that you guys are such fools to think this is about wildlife, especially given the evidence of corruption that has been presented. Wake up.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:32 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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So is this about him not paying his taxes or the solar plant?
He told the BLM screw you, I ain't paying you the grazing fees 20 years ago. Before the Solar Plant ever was an idea.
The US gov't wanting to use the land for something else is why they are now wanting to remove the cows.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:44 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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I can't decide if it's hilarious or sad that you guys are such fools to think this is about wildlife, especially given the evidence of corruption that has been presented. Wake up.
It's about complying with mitigation laws. Not that I'd expect you to ever know anything beyond what a YouTube video or a misinforming website tells you.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 9:45 pm
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