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re: Do you think the Justice League Feels Sorry for Batman???
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:57 pm to Tom288
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:57 pm to Tom288
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There is a huge disparity in strength, or power, when it comes to a lot of the JL members. But that's not the only attribute one should take into consideration now, is it?
When comparing characters that can destroy planets, alter timelines, withstand nuclear explosions, traveling at 3 million m/s, read and control minds, learn at speeds over the speed of light, and are invulnerable/immortal to batarangs, Manila folders, and a fancy carpenter's belt...yes the super powered attributes are all you need to consider.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 3:02 pm
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:59 pm to theunknownknight
I like where your headed with this.
It's like the JLA as the cast of a classic caper film.
The Leader:
The Beauty:
The Smart-arse:
The Muscle:
The Tech:
The Money:
It's like the JLA as the cast of a classic caper film.
The Leader:
The Beauty:
The Smart-arse:
The Muscle:
The Tech:
The Money:
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:01 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:03 pm to Tom288
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There is a huge disparity in strength, or power, when it comes to a lot of the JL members. But that's not the only attribute one should take into consideration now, is it?
The issue is that the universes do not mesh at all. A man who got his arse kicked by Bane, who, while intelligent, is not exactly a match for Batman in Justice League, should not be able to turn around and beat Superman, who could literally flick Bane with his pinky and send him into orbit.
I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in the universes and I think, given Batman's lack of superhuman abilities, he works wonderfully in a universe in which superhumans do not exist, but works terribly in a universe in which superhumans do exist.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:03 pm to theunknownknight
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When comparing characters that can destroy planets, alter timelines, withstand nuclear explosions, traveling at 3 million m/s, read and control minds, learn at speeds over the speed of light, and are invulnerable/immortal to batarangs
Yes, because that applies to every member in the Justice League.
Or are you talking about only the founding members? Even then, your argument would not work. For one thing, Batman was never a toddler who whined about joining the Justice League but even if he was that wouldn't explain why members who can
quote:would then feel the need to placate such an individual.
destroy planets, alter timelines, withstand nuclear explosions, traveling at 3 million m/s, read and control minds, learn at speeds over the speed of light, and are invulnerable/immortal to batarangs
So again, you're not making sense.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:04 pm to LoveThatMoney
Batman really should have been a Marvel creation.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:04 pm to LoveThatMoney
Better delivery
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:08 pm to Tom288
I'm not following your post. You quoted me twice and still misunderstood what I was saying.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:10 pm to theunknownknight
Sparknotes:
Batman can kill them all
Batman can kill them all
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:13 pm to theunknownknight
You said that those attributes are all you need to consider, but that isn't true if you're taking the entire Justice League into consideration because the disparity between all of the members and Batman is not that big.
Obviously it is biggest when comparing Batman to the other founders of the League, but if you're doing that then your argument about them feeling the need to placate Batman doesn't make sense. If they are that much stronger than Batman then they wouldn't consider it necessary to invite him into the League. After all, why would they care? So if they invited him into the league there must have been a reason and it must have been something different than placating him or feeling sorry for him. In other words, they must have felt like he really contributed to the team even though he is a lowly human being.
I'm not sure what it is you think I misunderstood.
Obviously it is biggest when comparing Batman to the other founders of the League, but if you're doing that then your argument about them feeling the need to placate Batman doesn't make sense. If they are that much stronger than Batman then they wouldn't consider it necessary to invite him into the League. After all, why would they care? So if they invited him into the league there must have been a reason and it must have been something different than placating him or feeling sorry for him. In other words, they must have felt like he really contributed to the team even though he is a lowly human being.
I'm not sure what it is you think I misunderstood.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:19 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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The Money:
The Hardass:
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:23 pm to Tom288
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You said that those attributes are all you need to consider, but that isn't true if you're taking the entire Justice League into consideration because the disparity between all of the members and Batman is not that big.
Obviously it is biggest when comparing Batman to the other founders of the League, but if you're doing that then your argument about them feeling the need to placate Batman doesn't make sense. If they are that much stronger than Batman then they wouldn't consider it necessary to invite him into the League. After all, why would they care? So if they invited him into the league there must have been a reason and it must have been something different than placating him or feeling sorry for him. In other words, they must have felt like he really contributed to the team even though he is a lowly human being.
I'm not sure what it is you think I misunderstood.
Wrong. The reason they invited him into the League is because DC wanted to make a damn mint off of comic nerds who got to see their favorite superheroes (i.e. Batman and Superman) fighting crime together, notwithstanding the fact that Batman and Superman are in entirely different realms of power and came into being in entirely separate universes. Of the original members, Batman is the only one without superpowers. One of these things is not like the others. Knowing full well he didn't really belong in the group to begin with, the writers carefully crafted a role for Batman in the League to make it more believable that 6 superhumans would need the assistance of a (relatively) normal human. Which is why so many have complained about Batman being used as a plot device in Justice League iterations of the character.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:31 pm to theunknownknight
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And they placate him by "letting" him help them? Kinda like how adults play football with toddlers, letting the carry the ball and score?
"That's a gooooood boy" :Superman pats Batman on the back:
I mean, we are talking about a guy who can't keep a man dressed like a clown in check...about a dude who struggles against a midget in a penguin costume.
How ridiculous is it Batman was forced into this league? How much does it really hurt his character?
Poor Batman. We're really piling it on lately.
The Lego Movie got Batman right. And in that case, so did Nolan. He's just so damn humorless, and Nolan's overly pessimistic movies nailed it. But that's why they also weren't good "comic book" movies.
I mean I love the character, and he works well as an emotional foil to Superman, but he's frustrating too.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:34 pm to Bard
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:34 pm to theunknownknight
Why have a "league" at all? Seems like Superman could just take care of everything alone.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:38 pm to lsuguy84
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The Dark Knight Returns laughs at this
If you're talking about the graphic novel, that was a one in a million situation. Superman had just been hit by a nuke, shriveled up to a corpse, and barely back under the light of a yellow sun to recover. He was probably at 20% of his full power. Even then Batman had to play his kryptonite ace in the hole. AND black out half the city with a electric gauntlet. At full strength Superman wouldn't have gone down and Batman would have been snapped in half like a toothpick.
Batman does best against non-powered or slightly augmented villains. He's on the same level as Dare-Devil in my opinion. He has little to offer when you have gods like Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and Green Lantern around.
Hell, in water environments he's even no match for the much lambasted Aquaman.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:42 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:43 pm to TygerTyger
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Hell, in water environments he's even no match for the much lambasted Aquaman.
For anyone that has played Injustice: Gods Among Us, Aquaman is a fricking death machine that can crush anyone in seconds.
I am beginning to think he is so overpowered as a joke to how much he is picked on.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:47 pm to Tactical1
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For anyone that has played Injustice: Gods Among Us, Aquaman is a fricking death machine that can crush anyone in seconds.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 3:48 pm to Bard
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