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papz
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Neither. I'm not suggesting a change to push any personal agenda. With that said, I don't care to have true fantasy aces nor elite closers if you want to know my fantasy philosophy. I think an increase provides a good balance for everyone... not to punish anyone. Sorry you can't see that.





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GynoSandberg
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Three 7-inning starts and you're basically there. I've been laughed at for continuing to throw guys in that exact scenario. Owners were basically telling me that if you get 21 innings at approximately a 2.00 ERA, you shut it down. Obviously, if you have more heat that you're comfortable throwing out there (like I was doing), you're losing the offensive cats, or if the other team blows up early, you can keep going. I was still chastised as if it was management 101 in this league. I don't have a problem with the strategy. I just think 35 IP is the sweet spot (four and a half 7-inning outings instead of three).


Again, going back to last years playoffs my team threw 40 more innings than yours in our matchup. I won 4 pitching cats and you won ERA by .1 This is the same week a double started my SP4 and SP5.

You can't look at this in a vacuum. No one ever just throws 3 guys and that's it. If you truly have a good, deep staff you're team is better off for it. More innings aims to leveling the playing field when in reality a team with a few good stud SP and closers. should have the advantage. Just like any legit MLB team with three studs is better than a team with shitty pitching.






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Louie T
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Lost a save bc I own 4 CL





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papz
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and what if neither pitches until Thurs and Fri, like my aces are doing this week?


Well then it makes it a calculated gamble.

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A perfect scenario is you have 3 guys you like and all 3 throw complete games. You hit your innings limit and be done with it, but that rarely happens.



I mean I haven't done nor do I care to do any research on it, but it happens. Like it is for me this week. And while I think it's gay, I'll probably be sitting on those stats because it's beneficial for me to do so. But by increasing the IP limit, I wouldn't have to do that.

So if we want to talk about how I'm trying to make this seem as if I'm pushing a personal agenda, I would think this answers how I feel on the matter.

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one will have a bad game, and force you to throw 5-6 pitchers.


Sure why wouldn't you? It would be dumb not to.

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or they may have a good game and not have great strike outs. So you're winning ERA and WHIP, but are behind in K/9 and QS. Are you going to sit tight?


That depends. How am I doing in my hitting CATS? Would it be more beneficial for me to split as opposed to take the risk of losing it all.

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Or you are in a close matchup in pitching cats and the guy has his ace on Sunday. He has a chance to pass you up in 2-3 categories with a good outing. You have a chance to counter with another guy, your 4th or 5th SP on your team. What do you do? sit tight?



I rather make him beat me then do him any favors. But circumstances change all the time. I've done both. I think I sat Week 1 versus rondo when he was chasing QS and he had the better ratios. I lucked out that day... but it doesn't always work out.

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Or your closer gives up 4 ERs in 2/3'rds of an inning on a Friday, and your whole shite is blown the frick. Then what?


Then you start chasing. You'd be stupid not to.


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This shite happens a lot more than getting a perfectly set up pitching week. Where all your studs take care of 3-4 categories in 3 starts.


It probably does. I'm not sure I'm disagreeing with that notion.

Maybe I'm too wordy or something so I'll just go back to what Early said earlier. Short and sweet.

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Three 7-inning starts and you're basically there. I've been laughed at for continuing to throw guys in that exact scenario. Owners were basically telling me that if you get 21 innings at approximately a 2.00 ERA, you shut it down.


This is what I'd like to prevent. And with an increase in IP, it should give it more balance.






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EarlyBird
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Again, going back to last years playoffs my team threw 40 more innings than yours in our matchup.


Oh I remember. Harvey went down with TJ right before his first start that week.

I understand the strategies and the different scenarios in play. And I don't have a problem with the category setup that creates that. Based on your assertion, teams will throw 35 IP almost every time anyway. If that's the case, why not eliminate the possibility of a 3 start week then? If a 3-start week is a myth, what is the 25 limit enforcing? It sounds like it's just leaving open the possibility, albeit unlikely, that someone can take advantage of the low limit in a perfect scenario. Let's just push to 35 and not worry about it.







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GynoSandberg
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Neither. I'm not suggesting a change to push any personal agenda. With that said, I don't care to have true fantasy aces nor elite closers if you want to know my fantasy philosophy. I think an increase provides a good balance for everyone... not to punish anyone. Sorry you can't see that.


First off, I'm not trying to come at you. Don't be defensive, we're just talking here.

You prefer balance and I think guys who keep stud pitchers and build a solid 5 man staff should have an advantage. It almost mimics the real thing. It's ludicrous to expect 14 teams to run 7-8 starters deep to reach 35-40 innings on a week to week basis. You have the same opportunity everyone else has to build a team. Maybe your method doesn't work for this type of league but does in another type?

I think Roto is for balance. H2H, especially one like ours w daily lineups up to the first pitch of a game, is about being better than the other team that week. You have full control day to day of who you want to start or don't start. It's strategy. There has to be an inherent advantage somewhere if one team is going to be crowned better than the other.

As we talk about balance, 9 teams had 100+ QS last year. ERA ranged from as low as 3.1 to as high as 3.9. WHIP 1.1 to 1.3. No team had a K/9 over 8.5, but 10 teams were in the 8s. It's all pretty balanced as it is.

You had the worst whip and k/9 last year. 2nd worst whip. 3rd least in saves. You did have the 4th most QS, though. Idk what else to say






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GynoSandberg
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I understand the strategies and the different scenarios in play. And I don't have a problem with the category setup that creates that. Based on your assertion, teams will throw 35 IP almost every time anyway. If that's the case, why not eliminate the possibility of a 3 start week then? If a 3-start week is a myth, what is the 25 limit enforcing? It sounds like it's just leaving open the possibility, albeit unlikely, that someone can take advantage of the low limit in a perfect scenario. Let's just push to 35 and not worry about it.


I had a post detailing all of the playoff teams SP but my iPad deleted it

It showed me that all of the teams had 5 legit guys they threw at times all year. Most had 3 studs. A SP for every 5 innings, basically.

While every team will face the same circumstances w 35 inning, do you really want to scrape the barrel for those extra 2 SPs every week?

How many owners in your 35 inning league? Can you snapshot your matchup from last week with who threw what?

In the end we can vote and see what the majority wants. IM fine with that






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EarlyBird
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The only reason I keep a deep pitcher bench is because pitchers get injured like mofos. I play H2H because it keeps me interested, but it's chock full of luck at play. I feel the best team is the one that has the best overall stats at the end of the year (Roto), but I'd lose interest in July if I was out of the running. I have no way of knowing who is going to go off on a weekly basis and anyone that says they do is smoking some good stuff.





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damn dude, you didnt need to answer all of those. They were just hypothetical situations that happen every week. You are more likely to run into those than the "perfect week". My point is the 25 IP is sufficient for that reason.





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EarlyBird
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It's a 12-team league with 8 bench spots and 15 minor league spots (Some of which are in the majors but with milb eligibility). So yeah, we have a better bench. But do you think we'd be rolling with Bronson Arroyo on a weekly basis with 35? You've already insinuated that most teams hit the 35 anyway. I don't think we would be scraping the barrel. We'd just be eliminating a 25 IP week. Hell, split the difference and make it 30. Or leave it the same. I'm burned out on talking about it. I'm grabbing a beer and watching sponge bob.





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EarlyBird
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damn dude, you didnt need to answer all of those








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rondo
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My team in tdbl would have been the roto champ last year





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EarlyBird
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That's the weakest troll attempt in history.





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rondo
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Its true though





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papz
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I really can't state my case anymore than I already have. We'll just agree to disagree as you said, have a vote during the off season.


Not sure how relevant my pitching numbers would be in trying to justify any case your trying to make though. I traded Liriano and Kuroda, Cueto was hurt, and I chased QS. Of course my ratios were going to suck. You also realize while 3.1 to 3.9 and 1.1 to 1.3 does not look significant on paper, it is... and it's quite broad.



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papz
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Hey, you asked.





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GynoSandberg
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I was simply pointing out that maybe you can adjust your strategy instead of adjusting the league. That's all.

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You also realize while 3.1 to 3.9 and 1.1 to 1.3 does not look significant on paper, it is... and it's quite broad.


Broad between the 1st and the 14th best teams? Naw.

Bottom line that there is parity in regards to pitching with most of the league.

Anyway, good talk. Going to watch sponge bob.






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Louie T
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How was the Spongebob, guys?

I wish STL would extend Martinez and get it over with. Kelly can eat ass






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I still have a few closers for sale. Broxton, Lindstrom, and surprisingly good Hawkins. Would look for picks, injured players, or prospects.





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GynoSandberg
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I hope you don't have your email linked to a smart phone because it is probably blowing up right now





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