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EarlyBird
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My Dynasty uses 35 IP and it works quiet well.





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papz
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Because starting them all lowers k/9. With 25 innings, you'd can just have 2 dominant starters every week and cycle in a third guy off an incredibly deep bench. In weeks when one or both of your staff have 2 starts, it renders the rest of your staff useless. Switching k/9 to k's also balances out the ratio advantage by hoarding closers and/or what I mentioned above.

We're not talking about a massive increase here. A 5 to 10 increase still wouldn't have to make anyone start the Kuechels of the world. That's a little dramatic.






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EarlyBird
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I say move to 35 and keep K/9. Cumulative pitching stats always lead to some form of streaming.





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GynoSandberg
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Teams last season averaged about 100 QS for the whole season. We played 18 weeks. That's pretty much 5 starts a week based on QS alone, not even counting the bad starts.

I have a two run advantage in ERA and am at 26 innings already. 2 k advantage in ks. I'm still rolling out Greinke and probably Chavez vs HOU. Good pitchers who you trust get starts regardless, especially when your opponents pitching gets blown up early and they start streaming chasing cats






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papz
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re: SBL 2014 (Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:33 pm to papz)
I say move to 35 and keep K/9. Cumulative pitching stats always lead to some form of streaming.


I agree.

I don't think both is necessary. But if it's left at 25, eliminating k/9 makes sense. I'm perfectly fine and would get behind 35 with k/9.






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EarlyBird
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I'm sure that 5 QS per week average was influenced somewhat by people chasing QS. I'd like to know what the average QS per week is for the teams that won ERA and/or WHIP.

ETA:

As it stands now you can chase QS, protect the ratios, or try for both. Based on my other league the same happens each week with 35. It just requires you to roster more SP3 types. It also makes owners do a little more research and in-week management.



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cwill
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Teams chasing QS are losing.





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GynoSandberg
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I'm not even against changing.
But the notion that you can have 2 aces and a decent 3rd option is silly. If it were that easy everyone would do it and be successfull. And RP K total is added to the overall team total to determine k/9. The guy is pitching 3 innings a week.

There is a reason good pitchers are valuable. They produce consistently. If a guy is going to kill your ratios if you start him then why own him. That's like trying to change the scoring to make a .300 hitter who has no power a valuable fantasy asset. Some guys just aren't valuable and we don't need to increase innings to just make them special.

Fwiw, playoffs are 2 week battles. I started 8 different pitchers in the championship game. Louie started 13 different guys against me. Granted he was probably chasing cats, but if you truly have a crop of good pitchers it becomes very valuable come playoff time.

The playoff week before vs Earl I threw Shark and gallardo 2 starts each and that was with Lee, Anibal, and Greinke as my 123






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GynoSandberg
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quote:

I'm sure that 5 QS per week average was influenced somewhat by people chasing QS. I'd like to know what the average QS per week is for the teams that won ERA and/or WHIP.


Well 1 team is always losing so chasing stats is part of it. Again, you need 5 solid pitchers top.


I'm sure when papz is chasing a few cats and his starters have 3 starts on a Sunday, they all throw gems and he turns a 6-4 loss into a 7-3 win, then it won't be a big deal






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EarlyBird
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So you're for the change, but against the premise given?





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papz
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No one said it was that easy but it can happen. Let's say you own Fernandez, Lee, and a couple of good closers. One is going twice that week. Why wouldn't I just punt QS and try to take the rest of the CATS? It doesn't even have to be two dominant pitchers... It could just be a tier 4 pitcher who got lucky at the beginning of the week. You seem like a bright guy... I don't have to spell that out for you. I don't see anything silly about it. It happens a lot when the IP limit is so low. What's really hard to understand about it?







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papz
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I'm sure when papz is chasing a few cats and his starters have 3 starts on a Sunday, they all throw gems and he turns a 6-4 loss into a 7-3 win, then it won't be a big deal


You must be confused now. I don't have any issues with anyone chasing stats. I have an issue with the extremely low IP limit. I think an increase in the limit would make pitching more balanced.



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EarlyBird
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Three 7-inning starts and you're basically there. I've been laughed at for continuing to throw guys in that exact scenario. Owners were basically telling me that if you get 21 innings at approximately a 2.00 ERA, you shut it down. Obviously, if you have more heat that you're comfortable throwing out there (like I was doing), you're losing the offensive cats, or if the other team blows up early, you can keep going. I was still chastised as if it was management 101 in this league. I don't have a problem with the strategy. I just think 35 IP is the sweet spot (four and a half 7-inning outings instead of three).





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papz
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Which is exactly what I'm saying.

I don't understand the fuss. It just makes sense.






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rondo
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There is no need to change it IMO





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EarlyBird
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We can vote on it in the offseason. It actually benefits me to keep it at 25 with my offense-heavy keepers. But I've played it both ways and prefer 35.





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rondo
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You should win a league one time bro





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GynoSandberg
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Earl, I'm indifferent. Like you said, 30 or. 35 doesn't really change much.

No H2H league scoring is perfect, though. Every league is in search of the perfect scoring but nobody every finds it. Through that change, some other unforeseen issue arises.

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No one said it was that easy but it can happen. Let's say you own Fernandez, Lee, and a couple of good closers. One is going twice that week. Why wouldn't I just punt QS and try to take the rest of the CATS? It doesn't even have to be two dominant pitchers... It could just be a tier 4 pitcher who got lucky at the beginning of the week. You seem like a bright guy... I don't have to spell that out for you. I don't see anything silly about it. It happens a lot when the IP limit is so low. What's really hard to understand about it?


Don't talk to me like I don't understand

In your scenario, team A throws Lee and Fernandez and whoever and shuts it down at 25. (If a tier 4 starter hits it big to start the week that team deserves to win; no one starts that guy early anyway)

Team papz, who should have two aces and decent closers of his own, let's call them wacha and cueto. They throw their own gems and the closers do something... All of a sudden you are in striking distance. Team A feels threatened and may have to throw another guy... You have Teheran, Lorriano and Haren coming up against MIA, CHI, and SD that weekend... Well now we have a ball game. Your next 3 are better than team A's.

These types of battles go on throughout the season and are always talked about in the thread. It's part of the fun. You add more innings and the same thing happens, except you're now counting on Tim Hudson and Ian Kennedy to fill starts.

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You must be confused now. I don't have any issues with anyone chasing stats. I have an issue with the extremely low IP limit. I think an increase in the limit would make pitching more balanced.


Even the best pitching teams have to chase stats. All teams have good frontline guys. A team with a lot of good pitchers holds an advantage, which I presented above.

Is the issue that you don't really have a true fantasy ace nor do you have any closers? Seems like an attempt to punish the teams that do and reward a team like yours with multiple pretty good pitchers






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Lester Earl
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Let's say you own Fernandez, Lee, and a couple of good closers. One is going twice that week.



and what if neither pitches until Thurs and Fri, like my aces are doing this week?


A perfect scenario is you have 3 guys you like and all 3 throw complete games. You hit your innings limit and be done with it, but that rarely happens.

one will have a bad game, and force you to throw 5-6 pitchers.

or they may have a good game and not have great strike outs. So you're winning ERA and WHIP, but are behind in K/9 and QS. Are you going to sit tight?

Or you are in a close matchup in pitching cats and the guy has his ace on Sunday. He has a chance to pass you up in 2-3 categories with a good outing. You have a chance to counter with another guy, your 4th or 5th SP on your team. What do you do? sit tight?

Or your closer gives up 4 ERs in 2/3'rds of an inning on a Friday, and your whole shite is blown the frick. Then what?

This shite happens a lot more than getting a perfectly set up pitching week. Where all your studs take care of 3-4 categories in 3 starts.



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EarlyBird
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quote:

No H2H league scoring is perfect, though. Every league is in search of the perfect scoring but nobody every finds it. Through that change, some other unforeseen issue arises.


Hey man. I agree. It's not a deal breaker for me. I'd just rather talk FB than do school work.







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