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re: Jimmy Smith (Times Pic) bringing the heat on Demps
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:17 pm to chillygentilly
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:17 pm to chillygentilly
Excellent read, except for the Johnson and Dumars suggestions of course. 
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:25 pm to c on z
Interesting that the 2 people claiming to really like the article are also the 2 people with the flimsiest connections to the team.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:38 pm to TigerinATL
quote:c on z got excited when he saw the word heat in the title
Interesting that the 2 people claiming to really like the article are also the 2 people with the flimsiest connections to the team.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:39 pm to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:42 pm to chillygentilly
I don't agree with any of his reasoning. But if he's gonna lead the charge that lands us a new coach (not named Avery Johnson), if all for it. If it happens to take down Demps with it( although I'm not there yet), so be it.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:42 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:why?
I love the Dumars suggestion
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:46 pm to BilJ
I think he was joking.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:46 pm to BilJ
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why?
I was being extremely sarcastic. Hence, bringing up I. Thomas as a suggested GM, who is easily the worst GM the league has ever seen.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:08 pm to Fearthehat0307
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c on z got excited when he saw the word heat in the title
Stahp.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:13 pm to CQQ
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Just playing devil's advocate, there are a couple of folks out there with Louisiana, and New Orleans, connections who might be available for hire this summer: Joe Dumars and Avery Johnson.
Why do the guys at the times-pic always bring up and emphasize that a guy is from New Orleans? This is an NBA team, not a political campaign, their hometown means nothing
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:23 pm to Fearthehat0307
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c on z got excited when he saw the word heat in the title
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:38 pm to tiger band trumpet
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Why do the guys at the times-pic always bring up and emphasize that a guy is from New Orleans? This is an NBA team, not a political campaign, their hometown means nothing
Pelicans Report is much more New Orleans centric than the PT on TD, and I can tell you that there is a significant portion of the fan base that views being local as a basketball skill. Before Monty got the job Avery Johnson's name was brought up quite frequently and the number one skill his supporters pointed to is that he was local and he would sell tickets (again the reasoning being that he was local not that he would win). If you're playing to the NOLA market, it matters.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:49 pm to LSUhornet17
I don't get the Johnson hate, other than he has an annoying voice. What exactly has he done wrong?
GS was the worst possible matchup for that Mavs squad. They were red hot and full of young, offensive talent and a HOF coach who happened to know a little bit about Dallas. Davis was playing out of his mind, too.No mention of the fact that Dallas lost 15 games that season and 22 the year before, when AJ was COY.
And you cannot really judge the guy on his tenure in NJ. Those teams were deplorable. They were built under the assumption that Deron Williams was the best PG in the league, when in fact it coincided with Williams' regression. Brook Lopez was always hurt. The team was devoid of any real talent outside of that. Not to mention the circus that the Russian brought to town. shite, that franchise is still underachieving in that crappy conference. Im not sure AJ deserves the blame there.
What was the knock on Johnson? Why would he be such a bad option?
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Avery Johnson last coached a competitive team when his #1 seeded Mavs lost to the #8 seed led by the immortal Baron Davis, and was a complete failure in Jersey.
GS was the worst possible matchup for that Mavs squad. They were red hot and full of young, offensive talent and a HOF coach who happened to know a little bit about Dallas. Davis was playing out of his mind, too.No mention of the fact that Dallas lost 15 games that season and 22 the year before, when AJ was COY.
And you cannot really judge the guy on his tenure in NJ. Those teams were deplorable. They were built under the assumption that Deron Williams was the best PG in the league, when in fact it coincided with Williams' regression. Brook Lopez was always hurt. The team was devoid of any real talent outside of that. Not to mention the circus that the Russian brought to town. shite, that franchise is still underachieving in that crappy conference. Im not sure AJ deserves the blame there.
What was the knock on Johnson? Why would he be such a bad option?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:06 pm to GynoSandberg
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shite, that franchise is still underachieving in that crappy conference.
From 10-21 with a turtles pace slow start this year, to a 34-16 finish (until now). Yeah major underachieving in the last 50 (which crushes the Heat's last 50); 44 wins is incredible given the Nets slow start.
Avery Johnson is just not good. His teams have always gotten worse as his tenure has gone along. He has bad long term infrastructure ability. He's too aggressive and uptight with players. He's a short term/stop gap coach nothing more.
AJ takes over the Mavs for good in 05-06 and they go to NBA Finals, lose to the Heat. Next season 67 wins, lose first round. Next season 51 wins, lose first round. First season with Nets they are 4th in Atlantic division. Next season with Nets they are 5th in Atlantic division. Next season with Nets he's fired after extremely hyped team goes 14-14 to start.
There's just no proof AJ is a long term coach. None. He hasn't sustained success anywhere! Why would you want that?? I get the Karl stuff because he's won a lot of NBA games, but AJ is not an upgrade over Monty. Phil Jackson couldn't have won with the injury affliction Monty has had to go through the past 4 seasons.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:32 pm to NOLAbaby
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From 10-21 with a turtles pace slow start this year, to a 34-16 finish (until now). Yeah major underachieving in the last 50 (which crushes the Heat's last 50); 44 wins is incredible given the Nets slow start.
That franchise was a mess when Johnson was there and still is. They sold out to gather "talent" for a title run but in reality are no real threat in the East. Poorly assembled teams.
People remember him as the coach who failed with that Nets squad. They forget he was COY and went to the Finals with the Mavs and was once a young, promising coach. He won 72% of his games in Dallas in 3 full seasons and and 37% of his games in 2+ seasons in Jersey. Hardly a track record or proof of "bad long term infrastructure ability"
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There's just no proof AJ is a long term coach. None. He hasn't sustained success anywhere!
There is no real proof he's not a long term coach. And he had 3 great years in Dallas.
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Why would you want that??
Never said I did. Im trying to find out why he's repulsive to so many.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:39 pm to eyeran
Smith may have had a decent point but he picked the wrong personnel move to bitch about. Letting Steimsma go is hardly the worst embarrassment I could come up with.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:06 pm to VOR
Yeah, he could have really made a point by just focusing on things like the Gordon contract, the lack of SF (re-signing AFA), rotations, or even keeping Monty as a coach, but he completely wiffed. Even bringing up minimum deal guys that we called up after all of the injuries is just stupid. Our roster, before the GS/Ely move, was at 15, with 8 who can play, IIRC. Cutting Stiemsma, who is hurt and on a 1 year deal isn't anywhere close to an embarrassment.
Besides, no GM has a perfect score card. I'd rather a GM who can admit his mistakes (Bayless, Steimsma), than one who keeps the failures around in an attempt to justify his moves.
Besides, no GM has a perfect score card. I'd rather a GM who can admit his mistakes (Bayless, Steimsma), than one who keeps the failures around in an attempt to justify his moves.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:36 am to chillygentilly
That article sounds like it was written by a twelve year old. Times-Pic sucks arse
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 12:37 am
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:30 am to chillygentilly
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- Acquired Jrue Holiday from the Philadelphia 76ers for two first-round draft choices on July 12. The jury remains in deliberation on that one because of Holiday's injury, though sacrificing a pair of lottery picks may prove to be excessive.
A center coming off a torn acl and probably the 12th pick(bench player)?
I'd say it's worth it.
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--Signed free-agent Anthony Morrow on July 18. Once Morrow got consistent minutes, he became a valuable asset and has unquestionably enhanced his prospects for a better contract should he opt out of the last year of his deal with the Pelicans. He's due to earn $1.15 million.
He'll probably be back
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--Signed free agents Josh Childress and Lou Amundson on Nov. 12, two players who were available to anyone in the league – including the Pelicans – three months earlier. Childress was waived a month later, Amundson after seven weeks. These were both meaningless moves that at the time reeked of desperation as the team struggled with a slow start.
Those were no more than depth signings. Both were journeymen not legit players.
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--Signed forward Luke Babbitt on Feb. 4. Babbitt has not been a difference-maker and cannot play defense. This was a pointless move.
Shooting 39% from 3 and is a decent to good rebounder. His defense is not that bad either,Hardly pointless when he'll be a solid guy off the bench next year making 500K.
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-Waived Stiemsma and signed Ely on Monday, with an official explanation later in the day that Stiemsma's knees have been bothering him (he was not on the injury list on Monday morning and, according to his statistics page, hadn't missed a game with injury since Dec. 28 when he was still recovering from a left medial collateral ligament strain.
Stiemsma had his fifth DNP-coach's decision on Saturday night in Houston.
If, 80 games into a season, a team cuts an offseason free-agent signee and replaces him with a nomadic journeyman who has compiled an undistinguished NBA resume over the last 12 years, only one conclusion can be drawn: Someone made a serious miscalculation last summer.
It also plainly illustrates the need for a fresh, additional voice in personnel matters.
Just playing devil's advocate, there are a couple of folks out there with Louisiana, and New Orleans, connections who might be available for hire this summer: Joe Dumars and Avery Johnson.
Dumars, the former McNeese State guard who is close with Saints/Pelicans executive vice president of basketball operations Mickey Loomis, stepped down as the Pistons' president of basketball operations on Monday.
While Dumars has greatly struggled recently in Detroit, he did build a team that won the NBA title in 2003-04 then lost in the Finals the next year to the San Antonio Spurs. Dumars also won back-to-back championships with the Pistons as a player.
In 2006, Dumas was brought in as a motivational speaker for the Saints during training camp in Jackson, Miss.
Because of Johnson's ties to the Saints – he was given a Super Bowl ring in 2010 – Loomis also has a friendly relationship the St. Aug and Southern graduate who won a title as a player and coached the Dallas Mavericks to the NBA Finals in 2005-06.
Johnson could be an option as a basketball ops hire; he probably does not want to coach.
Admitting a miscalculation, at this juncture, on an important a signing as Stiemsma, is embarrassing.
So cutting a guy that won't even play the rest of the year is an "embarassing move"?
He was losing minutes to better players in withey/ajinca. It's obvious to anyone that watched him he blows.
This whole "article" was a long winded troll post
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at dumars/johnsonPosted on 4/15/14 at 9:10 am to LosLobos111
My biggest worry with Avery was that his most successful years came after being a "Don Nelson guy". (Sorry the syllables just worked too well to not put in a cheesy wrestling reference). He basically took Nelson's offense and tweaked the defense to be slightly more efficient. The further he distanced himself from being under Nelson, the more the train ran off the track.
Yes, he's had success. But I'm honestly not certain how much of it was being a parrot or having a legitimate coaching identity.
Yes, he's had success. But I'm honestly not certain how much of it was being a parrot or having a legitimate coaching identity.
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