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re: Kiper: How low could they go?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:21 am to Tiger_Pride64
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:21 am to Tiger_Pride64
Barr vs Stanford
Look what happened against a smashmouth football team which he will see lots of in the NFL. He was dominated by TEs and fullbacks. Once he gets locked on to he can't shed the blocks. He still looks lost in coverage and overruns plays too much. Barr is a tremendous athlete and will be a good player , but right now he's just a pass rusher. If he had a comparison out of recent drafts potential wise he'd be Mingo while Shazier is like Lavonte David
Look what happened against a smashmouth football team which he will see lots of in the NFL. He was dominated by TEs and fullbacks. Once he gets locked on to he can't shed the blocks. He still looks lost in coverage and overruns plays too much. Barr is a tremendous athlete and will be a good player , but right now he's just a pass rusher. If he had a comparison out of recent drafts potential wise he'd be Mingo while Shazier is like Lavonte David
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:23 am to FootballNostradamus
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All you have to do to learn about Shazier is go to youtube and type in "Clemson Orange Bowl Highlights". You will literally see Clemson targeting and exploiting Shazier. College teams aren't supposed to scheme into your first round pick, they should scheme away from him. Clemson made him look like a blind cripple.
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In nearly every clip you will see him catching blocks 4-5 yards downfield and making tackles at the safety level. You'll see him mis-stepping nearly every play and borderline abandoning all semblance of gap integrity. You'll also see him getting run over by Sammy Watkins a couple of times.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:29 am to Tiger_Pride64
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Athleticism wise he is up there with Barr. Scheme wise, techniques, intangibles, and every other category he's miles past Barr
Holy sports cliches Batman.
Also, If Shazier is miles ahead of Barr "scheme wise" then we should definitely take him. He can replace Rob Ryan and save Benson some cash.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:34 am to Tiger_Pride64
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If he had a comparison out of recent drafts potential wise he'd be Mingo while Shazier is like Lavonte David
I've officially read it all!
You never once watched David at Nebraska if you think they're similar.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:38 am to FootballNostradamus
Boom
Btw compare those testing numbers between the two. Apparently Shazier is more athletic as well
Btw compare those testing numbers between the two. Apparently Shazier is more athletic as well
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 8:43 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:06 am to Tiger_Pride64
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Btw compare those testing numbers between the two. Apparently Shazier is more athletic as well
Lol.
You should work for the Raiders, measureables are the end-all, be-all right?
If you ask a group of Ohio State players if Shazier reminds them of David they'll laugh in your face and say they wish.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:13 am to FootballNostradamus
Avoidance huh ?? 
. Checkmate have a nice day sir
. Checkmate have a nice day sirPosted on 4/14/14 at 9:42 am to Tiger_Pride64
I'd guess you would find consensus on Barr to be Top 15. Shazier & Ford are projected more late 1st/early 2nd. If that is anywhere near correct Barr would likely be a must-pick selection at #27. It always depends on what the pool is of who ya have to choose from. The only lower ranked players I might imagine over Barr would be CBs Gilbert or Dennard, WR Evans maybe.
Some of these threads back my theory-
How ranking is determined:
NFL: Game Film 65% Combine & Pro Days 15% Personal Workout Interview 20%
Fans: What draft gurus say 60% Combine & Pro Days 30% Highlight Tapes 9% Game Film 1%
Some of these threads back my theory-
How ranking is determined:
NFL: Game Film 65% Combine & Pro Days 15% Personal Workout Interview 20%
Fans: What draft gurus say 60% Combine & Pro Days 30% Highlight Tapes 9% Game Film 1%
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:28 am to blueslover
The draft is a risk versus reward process. decisions are made based upon need and upside potential. however the best player doesn't always meet his potential Remember Aaron Curry the safest pick in the draft
Athletically Shazier is a linebacker that can potentially play the past and the run. If all top Wr choices are gone you can't go wrong with either
Athletically Shazier is a linebacker that can potentially play the past and the run. If all top Wr choices are gone you can't go wrong with either
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:51 am to patendedgmf
Had a dream this guy was our pick before I really knew who he was. After watching him on film he seems nasty and relentless. Has the measurables and athleticism to be elite. Made the switch to olb in 2012 and since than has led his team in sacks,TFL, and FF each year. With time to develop he could potentially be great.
Although I prefer to go offense in the 1st round, I wouldn't mind us grabbing him as he would have nice value at the 27 pick.
Although I prefer to go offense in the 1st round, I wouldn't mind us grabbing him as he would have nice value at the 27 pick.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:23 am to FootballNostradamus
I'll admit that I didn't watch much of Barr and I never thought he'd fall as far down as we pick so I haven't paid much attention to him.
Isn't Barr kind of like a Bruce Irvin? Or maybe a better Dion Jordan?
Isn't Barr kind of like a Bruce Irvin? Or maybe a better Dion Jordan?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:40 am to Suntiger
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This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:06 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:For whatever reason I had him and Ansah mixed up. My bad.
No offense, but are we talking about the same Bjoern Werner?
Well Ansah did pretty well for himself. Still not sold on Barr. I see the potential but I've been burned too many times getting excited by guys with potential.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:21 pm to patendedgmf
I remember the last defensive player that fell that much that saints took was.....Cam Jordan. Projected top 12 at worst and fell to 24. I remember one analyst after the draft said it was "inexcusable and a shame" that he fell that far and the Saints got a steal. Very prophetic
I'd take Antny Barr all day at 27.
I'd take Antny Barr all day at 27.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:54 pm to Tiger_Pride64
Oh I never said Shazier wasnt a great athlete. He is.
But, look at the difference in height and weight right now. Anthony Barr is 6'5 255lbs. Shazier is 6'1 237lbs. Barr is taller and heavier with just as much or more athleticism.
Barr is a better fit in the 3-4 OLB spot than Shazier is. Hes a better fit as a 4-3 run and hit OLB.
Barr also has a lot more experience getting after the QB. Shazier, not so much.
But, look at the difference in height and weight right now. Anthony Barr is 6'5 255lbs. Shazier is 6'1 237lbs. Barr is taller and heavier with just as much or more athleticism.
Barr is a better fit in the 3-4 OLB spot than Shazier is. Hes a better fit as a 4-3 run and hit OLB.
Barr also has a lot more experience getting after the QB. Shazier, not so much.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:18 pm to KG5989
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Oh I never said Shazier wasnt a great athlete. He is.
But, look at the difference in height and weight right now. Anthony Barr is 6'5 255lbs. Shazier is 6'1 237lbs. Barr is taller and heavier with just as much or more athleticism.
Barr is a better fit in the 3-4 OLB spot than Shazier is. Hes a better fit as a 4-3 run and hit OLB.
Barr also has a lot more experience getting after the QB. Shazier, not so much.
There is no discussion. Shazier isn't in the same ballpark.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:21 pm to Suntiger
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Isn't Barr kind of like a Bruce Irvin?
This is a good comparison.
They'd probably have similar roles for Barr's first year, but then you're getting a guy with similar athleticism plus more height and length.
NFL GMs would laugh if they read this thread.
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