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Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:12 pm to Antonio Moss
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That's because culture is turning away from your set of absolutes.
This is true, and it ain't a good thing.
Also, moral relativism is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:19 pm to Revelator
quote:No, I didn't say there aren't any moral absolutes. I said there are few.
Well you already stated that to you, there aren't any moral absolutes so this point is a given.
And you accused my viewpoint of being "the very attitude that is at the core of our progressive downfall." So I asked you to tell me how many choices you believe are "moral decisions."
Perhaps if I use terminology with which you feel more confortbable, you will discuss the issue.
What do you believe are moral absolutes?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:38 pm to weagle99
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It seems to me that much of the 'modern' view of morality springs from the popularity of the idea and not the absolute righteousness of the cause. In other words, the only way to really affect society in this age of moral relativism is to garner popular support, as no argument can honestly be made that one system of morals is superior to the other.
I think you are confusing morality with politics. We live in a capitalistic democracy. The costumer/voter is always right. It becomes more pragmatic to craft your argument in terms of what will be acceptable to most people.
That should not (even though it does) stop individuals from developing their own moral code and living by it.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:42 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Aye.
That's because culture is turning away from your set of absolutes.
But this is how modern "liberalism" has failed us all. Being liberal used to represent a lack of absolute truths. That balanced the absolutists (a good and necessary thing).
However, the modern "liberal" movement has embraced absolutes in a way that rivals if not surpasses many religious absolutes.
Just try not agreeing with the ghey mafia if you need an example. The abortion debate is another. It's no longer good enough to simply be hands off on these issues. You must support them, and pay for abortions or face the wrath of "liberals".
This has made us much more polarized. And it's not good.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I hope you're not religious
As I've posted several times. I'm a devout Bobist.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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That's because culture is turning away from your set of absolutes.
Yes and disintegrating like a house on fire.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:47 pm to Salviati
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What do you believe are moral absolutes?
There are many moral absolutes and far too many to list here. But it isn't just moral absolutes that are our failure but the abandoning of any kind of standards.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:49 pm to Revelator
quote:List eleven?
There are many moral absolutes and far too many to list here. But it isn't just moral absolutes that are our failure but the abandoning of any kind of standards.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:50 pm to Revelator
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Yes and disintegrating like a house on fire.
Meh, certain aspects are definitely worse with certain subgroups. Some aspects are much better than they've been in the past with other subgroups.
I also believe that there is a whole host of variables that goes into play with this issue that are either unrelated or loosely related to what we normally think of morality.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:35 pm to Salviati
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There are many moral absolutes and far too many to list here. But it isn't just moral absolutes that are our failure but the abandoning of any kind of standards. List eleven?
11 things that are absolutely immoral...
1. Having sex with a corpse (unless she has big tits).
2. Writing a check for 50 cents in the grocery line.
3. Tying a dog out in the heat with a chain with no food and water.
4. Wearing short shorts and a halter top when you weigh 300 pounds.
5. Leaving your putt 3 feet short and declaring a 'gimme.'
6. Spending more than 20 minutes at the ATM because it won't give you the $15 you just know you have in there.
7. Taking your loud brat kids to an expensive restaurant.
8. Women refusing to turn right on red because they see a car 10 miles away coming from the left.
9. People who can't speak a paragraph without 20 'fillers' ..uh, uhm, ya know, nome sane, like, like uh, etc.
10. People who take a piss in the hot tub.
11. Democrats
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:57 pm to Salviati
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I believe there are few absolutes.
I just read a book that leads me to believe that long term this is not healthy for a society. Am formulating another thread on the topic that will relate to unlimited choice.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:35 pm to weagle99
quote:absolutely. The problem with moral relativism is that there is almost always someone worse. This, immoral acts are unimpeachable as long as someone else has done worse.
I just read a book that leads me to believe that long term this is not healthy for a society. .
Washington DC is the very epitome of this.
Obama does something sh*tty, and the moral relativists respond with "Bush was worse".
Even if true... it doesn't make the current sh*t sandwich any less sh* try.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:47 pm to Taxing Authority
A couple of years ago, I was talking to a high school teacher, age, 25, who said she believed all ethics were situational.
She's teaching someone's kids.
She's teaching someone's kids.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:46 am to Taxing Authority
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The problem with moral relativism is that there is almost always someone worse.
Also a self-refuting argument. You can't have "better" or "worse" without a standard of reference, just like we can't have an idea of "wickedness" or "evil" without a concept of good.
Without God we lose our standard of reference, and "better" or "worse" become meaningless matters of personal preference.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:05 am to weagle99
Morality is a societal concept. It is the accepted "right/wrong" practices of a society. Morality changes with the times and the makeup of the society.
Rock and Roll was considered immoral.
Muslims think a woman showing her hair, face, and bare skin is immoral.
Slavery was moral.
Many societies thought raping slaves was moral.
Judeo-Christian morals are not accepted morals all over the world and even those differ from country to country.
Rock and Roll was considered immoral.
Muslims think a woman showing her hair, face, and bare skin is immoral.
Slavery was moral.
Many societies thought raping slaves was moral.
Judeo-Christian morals are not accepted morals all over the world and even those differ from country to country.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:01 am to FightinTigersDammit
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who said she believed all ethics were situational.
How is this not true
It is unethical and immoral to kill, but what if the only way you can stop someone who just killed two people and was moving on to the third was to take them out.
What was once immoral becomes moral.
Even in the bible Noah left all other humans to die because of the word of god. That is considered genocide yet he is praised in Christianity.
I agree with an above poster there are no absolutes
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:26 pm to mindbreaker
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Even in the bible Noah left all other humans to die because of the word of god.
Stop watching movies and actually read the bible. It is very clear from scripture that God himself shut the door to the ark and not Noah. The ark is symbolic of salvation in Christ, and one day, God will shut off access to this as well. He is long suffering for the time being giving people an opportunity to repent. One day it will be too late.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:43 pm to Navtiger1
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Rock and Roll was considered immoral.
A lot of it was immoral.
LINK
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Muslims think a woman showing her hair, face, and bare skin is immoral.
It is. Muslim women are ugly.
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Slavery was moral.
It was. Everybody had a job.
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Many societies thought raping slaves was moral.
Probably increased the IQ of the slave's children.
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Judeo-Christian morals are not accepted morals all over the world and even those differ from country to country.
True. This is why the rest of the world is in the shitter.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 4:13 pm to LordoftheManor
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You can't have "better" or "worse" without a standard of reference, just like we can't have an idea of "wickedness" or "evil" without a concept of good.
moral relativism doesn't imply that there are no standards of reference. only that those standards are, well, relative.
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Without God we lose our standard of reference, and "better" or "worse" become meaningless matters of personal preference.
bitte...nicht so schnell.
there are some very compelling moral philosophies out there (for example, virtue ethics) that don't require a deity that has any interest in human behavior.
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