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re: Questions about Reagan
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:20 am to SuperSaint
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:20 am to SuperSaint
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When it comes to Reagan I always either think of Reaganomics or the Iran-Contra affair which was a fricking shite show. If that were to happen today the shite would be HUGE. Not sure if the media was quite the same back then. Still think there is a lot the public doesn't know regarding it either
If it happened today, no one in the mainstream media would care. No way they go after Obama.
They didn't on Benghazi, the IRS, or Fast and Furious.
Any of those three events would have taken a Republican POTUS down. We all know that.
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:21 am to weagle99
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in years to come as people die off his legacy will become more of a media creation than what happened in reality
It's already happening.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:21 am to Jim Rockford
quote:Some might also say that Reagan asked them to do this to lower any revenue that Russia would make from their oil, thus leading to their economic downfall.
when Saudi Arabia tried to regain market share by turning the taps wide open.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:24 am to trackfan
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What are the stats for Clinton?
Dunno, but RR's approval ratings were the highest at the time of leaving office. If it were allowed by the Constitution and he was 5 years younger he would have won a 3rd term in a landslide.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:25 am to Zach
Reagan is my all-time favorite President and easily the greatest in my lifetime. He took over an abysmal economy, just horrible conditions. His endless optimism, his stated goals, his ability to connect with Americans, the incredible leadership ability. The Patriotism this country felt during his Presidency. Oh, the media hated him, and he had the liberals eating out of his hand.
Remember his funeral when all those people lined roadways across America to say good-bye?
Our enemies feared him. Our allies adored him. I think Thatcher had a crush on him.
The media tried to hang him on Iran Contra. Sold bad, outdated weapons to a terrorist country to fund soldiers fighting Communism. BFD.
Reagan brought the economy roaring back in the 80's. Imo, his policies laid the foundation for the tech explosion in Silicon Valley. Yeah, the deficit rose, but Carter had hollowed out the military and Reagan knew the country was stronger with a strong defense. Actually, Reagan worked with a Democrat majority in the House, where spending bills originated.
I miss him terribly.
Remember his funeral when all those people lined roadways across America to say good-bye?
Our enemies feared him. Our allies adored him. I think Thatcher had a crush on him.
The media tried to hang him on Iran Contra. Sold bad, outdated weapons to a terrorist country to fund soldiers fighting Communism. BFD.
Reagan brought the economy roaring back in the 80's. Imo, his policies laid the foundation for the tech explosion in Silicon Valley. Yeah, the deficit rose, but Carter had hollowed out the military and Reagan knew the country was stronger with a strong defense. Actually, Reagan worked with a Democrat majority in the House, where spending bills originated.
I miss him terribly.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:45 am to KingBarkus
The resident liberals will always downplay Reagan's accomplishments...
Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is that
Reagan was all in on missile defense ala "star wars" the media mocking term.
Once the missile defense real/ perceived accomplishments occurred is when the USSR had their reality check and they knew they couldn't keep up.
To say Carter had any input in bringing down communism is just a hack and all you have to do is look at present day Obama if Carter was re-elected. What we have in Obama is same if not worse as Carter militarily, and economically.
Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is that
Reagan was all in on missile defense ala "star wars" the media mocking term.
Once the missile defense real/ perceived accomplishments occurred is when the USSR had their reality check and they knew they couldn't keep up.
To say Carter had any input in bringing down communism is just a hack and all you have to do is look at present day Obama if Carter was re-elected. What we have in Obama is same if not worse as Carter militarily, and economically.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:54 am to mtntiger
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I have never understood why his economic plan is so ridiculed
He spend money
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We had double digit interest rates (even for home loans), double digit inflation,
Why does Reagan get credit for actions of the Federal Reserve?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:54 am to Zephyrius
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To say Carter had any input in bringing down communism is just a hack
Wow, I haven't even heard of any lefties giving any credit to Carter. That's just retarded since Soviet adventurism was rampant during Carter. The left usually likes to give credit to Gorby if they want to discredit Reagan.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:54 am to KingBarkus
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The media tried to hang him on Iran Contra. Sold bad, outdated weapons to a terrorist country to fund soldiers fighting Communism. BFD.
THis - I was - and still am - all in favor of what is known as "Iran/Contra."
We sold outdated weapons to a faction in Iran that was trying to undercut the Ayatollah. The money we got for that was used to fund opposition to communist domination of Nicaragra.
WIN-WIN in my book.
I was sad to see Reagan 'apologize' for this action. I was proud of it.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:55 am to Bushmaster
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Big Ron over the next 8 years created 20 million or so jobs.
With "welfare " programs like Earned Income Credit he greatly /proudly expanded?
" The Earned Income Tax Credit is the best anti-poverty, the best pro family, the best JOB CREATION measure to come out of Congress".- Reagan
He did get a little deregulation through like the Savings & Loans industry which was eventually bailed out by the government.
Maybe he attacked some programs & used rhetoric to pander to a certain demographic ,but Social Security ,Medicare/Medicaid & the Safety net programs are still steaming along.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:00 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Why does Reagan get credit for actions of the Federal Reserve?
Do you understand how interest rates work when not being artificially set by the government?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:00 am to Zach
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Wow, I haven't even heard of any lefties giving any credit to Carter. That's just retarded since Soviet adventurism was rampant during Carter. The left usually likes to give credit to Gorby if they want to discredit Reagan
I was reacting to the following probably.
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Carter started the post-Vietnam military buildup that Reagan built on,
To say Reagan was piggybacking and actually measure Reagan's buildup not even considering missile defense is just outright fairytale land.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:10 am to Antonio Moss
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Do you understand how interest rates work when not being artificially set by the government?
No. Please explain it to me.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:26 am to CaptainBrannigan
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He spend money
Nope. The Dem Congress spent money.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:26 am to Zach
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Wow, I haven't even heard of any lefties giving any credit to Carter. That's just retarded since Soviet adventurism was rampant during Carter. The left usually likes to give credit to Gorby if they want to discredit Reagan.
I believe that Soviet Union style communism, as opposed to the modern Chinese model, was destined for failure, and the only questions were when and how. However, after reading some of the things written by Gorbachev, Reagan deserves credit for ending the Cold War peacefully, and perhaps deserved to share the Nobel Peace prize with him. Gorbachev said that he doesn't believe that he could have worked out a deal with any of Reagan's predecessors, including Carter, because they were all too hardline and rejectionists. I guess since Afghanistan is in their backyard, they felt they had as much right to meddle there, as we did in the Carribeans and South America and they don't understand why Carter would ruin their Summer Olympics over it. According to Gorbachev, Reagan is the first American President the Russians felt they could trust, and Reagan deserves credit for giving Gorbachev the room to maveuver politically, despite the fact that many hawks in D.C., including Dick Cheney, felt he was giving the store away.
By the way, one of the most interesting tidbits in Jimmy Carter's latest book is the fact that Obama is the only President who hasn't called him for advice since he left office. That's pretty amazing when you think about it.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:29 am to Zach
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This kind of reporting went on every day for 8 years.
Obama would be whimpering in the corner if he had to deal with a media half as hostile at the one that confronted Reagan on a daily basis.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:33 am to trackfan
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Gorbachev said that he doesn't believe that he could have worked out a deal with any of Reagan's predecessors, including Carter, because they were all too hardline and rejectionists.
That's absurd. Carter and the word 'hardline' don't compute. Carter's big hardline stance was to stop trade with countries that violated a vague term of 'human rights.' That's soft line not hard line. Gorbachev was a true believer in Communism and he thought he could make a transition into elements of capitalism (think China over the last 20 years). But it didn't work.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:39 am to ChineseBandit58
The liberal revisionism surrounding The Gipper's presidency is as predictable as it is dishonest. I'll let others discuss his failings. I just want to address his accomplishments.
The positive outweighed the negative by 10-1 and was reflected by how people felt about him when he left office in 1988.He was the last great voice of defense for Individual Liberty and a champion of human freedom across the globe, small business and good government. And he did it all while being deconstructed viciously every day by the MSM networks WITH LITERALLY NO MEDIA SUPPORT.
We were proud to call ourselves "Sunny Conservatives" and followed Reagan's optimistic lead. He was the anti-Carter, the perfect optimistic man for his time in history. His economic prescriptions, radical at the time amongst Keynesian Cultists, was remarkably successful, and against a backdrop of 247 media criticism. I literally remember wall-to-wall stories circa 1981 about poor victims of Reagan standing in lines to collect government cheese. Now they collect a different kind of cheese and that is declared a victory.
Reagan took the top individual income tax rate from 70 to 28 percent and also indexed it for inflation.When inaugurated, Reagan inherited a nation with 16 tax brackets — ranging from marginal rates of 14 percent to 70 percent. By 1989, that was down to two brackets — with marginal rates of 15 percent and 28 percent. He lowered taxes and drove a tremendous wave of economic activity and surging tax revenues. A rising tide DID lift all boats.
When Reagan came into office it was at a period of historic cynicism. Much like today. He beat the living shite out of that cynicism. Unlike the Clown Car of an Administration we have now. He was the Indispensable Man. History has only reaffirmed his greatness.
The positive outweighed the negative by 10-1 and was reflected by how people felt about him when he left office in 1988.He was the last great voice of defense for Individual Liberty and a champion of human freedom across the globe, small business and good government. And he did it all while being deconstructed viciously every day by the MSM networks WITH LITERALLY NO MEDIA SUPPORT.
We were proud to call ourselves "Sunny Conservatives" and followed Reagan's optimistic lead. He was the anti-Carter, the perfect optimistic man for his time in history. His economic prescriptions, radical at the time amongst Keynesian Cultists, was remarkably successful, and against a backdrop of 247 media criticism. I literally remember wall-to-wall stories circa 1981 about poor victims of Reagan standing in lines to collect government cheese. Now they collect a different kind of cheese and that is declared a victory.
Reagan took the top individual income tax rate from 70 to 28 percent and also indexed it for inflation.When inaugurated, Reagan inherited a nation with 16 tax brackets — ranging from marginal rates of 14 percent to 70 percent. By 1989, that was down to two brackets — with marginal rates of 15 percent and 28 percent. He lowered taxes and drove a tremendous wave of economic activity and surging tax revenues. A rising tide DID lift all boats.
When Reagan came into office it was at a period of historic cynicism. Much like today. He beat the living shite out of that cynicism. Unlike the Clown Car of an Administration we have now. He was the Indispensable Man. History has only reaffirmed his greatness.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:39 am to Zach
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Gorbachev said that he doesn't believe that he could have worked out a deal with any of Reagan's predecessors, including Carter, because they were all too hardline and rejectionists.
That's absurd. Carter and the word 'hardline' don't compute. Carter's big hardline stance was to stop trade with countries that violated a vague term of 'human rights.' That's soft line not hard line.
All I'm doing is repeating the Soviet narrative which surprised me when I read it. I realize it conflicts with the prevailing American conservative narrative.
EDIT: I don't understand why you would be so offended by a post in which I'm praising Reagan, and criticizing Carter.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 11:43 am
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