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re: We Are Drafting A WR In The First Round....
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:10 pm to LooseCannon22282
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:10 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:We played more 4-3 than 3-4. We played more 4-2-5 than anything(by a long shot).
maybe he is better suited to play in a 4-3?
I mean that is what he played in Seattle.
But now, he's an undersized LB playing inside LB in a 3-4.
So no I don't buy that at all.
As for Franklin, he had his moments but I don't think GW's D suited his skills. He wasn't bad but didn't stand out much either. And yeah it was a 1 year minimum deal I believe.
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:18 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
We played more 4-3 than 3-4. We played more 4-2-5 than anything(by a long shot).
what I meant was he brought in to play OLB under Spags.
but then injuries forced him to play a position he wasn't as used to in 2012.
even he was injured part of that season and that didn't help his transition I'd imagine.
but they did play a lot of nickel defense in 2012. I'd guess that is because of the way the game is changing and all... run defense wasn't very good in 2012.
but it got a lot better last year. Couple of rough patches here and there but it definitely was better.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:21 pm to THRILLHO
quote:He had some bad moments there, but he also made some outstanding plays.
He's really bad against Michigan in 2012 as well:
LINK
Once again I see pretty much the same strengths and weaknesses. If you can keep him clean or attacking in the run game he does well. If a guard gets to him he has a tough go of it.
I do have to add in that he has a bad tendency to try to reach tackle, which reminds me of a certain safety who couldn't tackle for shite.
If he learns to keep his arms from extending all the way and tackle more with his body I think that could make him a much better player.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:35 pm to bonethug0108
I feel like he guesses a lot and that the plays he makes in the backfield are a good guess. Because there are times where he jumps left and the play goes right.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:42 pm to Isaid
That's definitely true, but some of his jumps just seem like zone assignments and he jumps into them too soon putting him out of position. I think his speed actually works against him in that way.
He can definitely read plays though because as soon as he jumps out of position he tries to get right back in. If he starts off the play reading instead of trying to hit his mark I think he would do a lot better.
I think if he was in more of a man defense he may do better.
He can definitely read plays though because as soon as he jumps out of position he tries to get right back in. If he starts off the play reading instead of trying to hit his mark I think he would do a lot better.
I think if he was in more of a man defense he may do better.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:46 pm to bonethug0108
he pursues the play well. But I agree with what you said about how he struggles with the blocks.
looks like more of a 4-3 LB to me.
if teams even really play that anymore.
looks like more of a 4-3 LB to me.
if teams even really play that anymore.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:51 pm to LooseCannon22282
I guess that's why I think he'll do alright.
he plays fast.
that is what the league is now.
is he flawed? Sure.
but I don't think he looks so bad.
he plays fast.
that is what the league is now.
is he flawed? Sure.
but I don't think he looks so bad.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:52 pm to LooseCannon22282
The other thing to remember is he isn't a big run stuffing LB. He was what 220lbs. taking on 280-300lbs. guards?
He could definitely stand to play with better leverage though. I think if he could be taught to play under control, along with fixing the arm tackling, it would go a long way.
He would definitely be more of a project(which I agree is not ideal for a 1st rounder) but could definitely come in on passing situations and be our best pass coverage LB. Then again, a lot of guys we could draft would become our best pass coverage LB.
Was that his worst games though? Because if so they weren't that bad(far from great or even good, but not horrible).
He could definitely stand to play with better leverage though. I think if he could be taught to play under control, along with fixing the arm tackling, it would go a long way.
He would definitely be more of a project(which I agree is not ideal for a 1st rounder) but could definitely come in on passing situations and be our best pass coverage LB. Then again, a lot of guys we could draft would become our best pass coverage LB.
Was that his worst games though? Because if so they weren't that bad(far from great or even good, but not horrible).
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:53 pm to LooseCannon22282
I really wanna sees him as an OLB 3-4. He's got the perfect build for it (6'3)and he's fast.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:07 am to Isaid
Didn't watch the whole thing, but he looks a hell of a lot better in that game. That looks more in line with the highlights I saw.
Still don't like the reach tackling though.
Still don't like the reach tackling though.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:16 am to Isaid
if the Saints were to draft him, Rob Ryan is good at putting his players in a position to excel.
its not about what they can't do.
looks like he could line up at different spots on defense? I don't know.
I guess his speed just stands out to me.
he takes a few false steps in those clips but you'd get that with most players when you look at a ton of plays like that I guess.
especially in college.
?
its not about what they can't do.
looks like he could line up at different spots on defense? I don't know.
I guess his speed just stands out to me.
he takes a few false steps in those clips but you'd get that with most players when you look at a ton of plays like that I guess.
especially in college.
?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:21 am to LooseCannon22282
No doubt he could come here and be put in a position to succeed. That's why I stressed the man vs. zone thing. I think you can man him up on a TE or HB and he'd excel. You tell him to attack and he'd excel. If you can get him to sit for a second to read the play(pass vs. run) I think you'd take out those "bad" jumps.
Everything I see wrong with him is something that can be corrected.
Everything I see wrong with him is something that can be corrected.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 12:47 am to bonethug0108
Shazier is also interesting to me because he seems like the perfect off the radar candidate.
I mean we've talked about Mosley a lot and there is a better chance he'd be gone than Shazier when we pick.
I remember Vaccaro's name being thrown around some last year and that idea was usually shut down quickly.
and turned into a Jarvis Jones circle jerk.
I mean we've talked about Mosley a lot and there is a better chance he'd be gone than Shazier when we pick.
I remember Vaccaro's name being thrown around some last year and that idea was usually shut down quickly.
and turned into a Jarvis Jones circle jerk.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:33 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:that what is so great about this draft is the saints dont have glaring weaknesses. The only places we have concern about is C and WR. So in reality everyone is an off the radar candidate, but my sleeper guy is Marcus Martin at 27
Shazier is also interesting to me because he seems like the perfect off the radar candidate.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:32 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:
he's 6'3" 230 and Hawthorne is 6'0" 230. Just putting that out there.
6'3 230 compared to 6'0 246... pretty big difference in stature.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:21 am to Chad504boy
True but he's just coming out of college and very well could add about 10 lbs. of muscle over the first year or two.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:23 am to Meateye
quote:
Bring on Cooks!
I want a guy with more natural receiving skills.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:34 am to Chad504boy
quote:
pretty big difference in stature.
yeah, yeah. lol.
was just trying to say that people have complained about how they thought Mosley and Shazier aren't all that big but Hawthorne is undersized himself.
I mean if people don't want Mosley or Shazier, that's their opinion. whatever.
but I just think its kind of funny they knock them for being not big or strong enough when the backers we already have are the shorter run thumping type of linebackers and they don't ever point that out.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 10:36 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:38 am to bonethug0108
quote:
True but he's just coming out of college and very well could add about 10 lbs. of muscle over the first year or two.
maybe maybe not, maybe 5 lbs is realistic.
Just wanted to more clarify hawthrone, he's a shorter more stout guy. He was 240 coming out as a rookie and 3 inches shorter.
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