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re: RP: Cheney used 9/11 as excuse to invade Iraq for the benefit of Halliburton
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:19 pm to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:19 pm to ChineseBandit58
Well I like Paul's foreign policy, but I don't think he's an Libertarian Socialist--which likes the idea of a weak central government but local socialist organizations or communes.
But if he's a libertarian there is some hope he can be converted into a libertarian socialist or anarchosocialist.
But if he's a libertarian there is some hope he can be converted into a libertarian socialist or anarchosocialist.
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:22 pm to ChineseBandit58
Immediately after9/11 we invaded Afghanistan not Iraq.
Couldn't Haliburton make money there? Sure, but we get this nonsense about Iraq instead.
Couldn't Haliburton make money there? Sure, but we get this nonsense about Iraq instead.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:24 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Anyone who believes that Dick Cheney made decisions about the fate of our country and its soldiers for any kind of personal gain is a flat out lying propagandist.
You can disagree with Cheney's policy and his decisions - but when you subscribe 'filth lucre' to his motive you fall into the realm of smear merchant.
Dick Cheney is an honorable public servant who does not deserve to be besmirched by low-lifes.
Why is Dick Cheney uniquely immune to corruption? Can you read Dick Cheney's soul? Are you a close personal friend of Dick Cheney?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:31 pm to Iosh
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Why is Dick Cheney uniquely immune to corruption? Can you read Dick Cheney's soul? Are you a close personal friend of Dick Cheney?
I have watched Dick Cheney for 35 years and have never seen a single instance where his motives could be questioned.
If you have an instance, let's hear it.
And if you don't, then why are you so eager to besmirch him as corrupt?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:46 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:Actually, if there is one person I think would do worse than Obama in regard to foreign policy, it's Rand Paul - but it would take a superhuman effort.
Well I like Paul's foreign policy,
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:47 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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He's twisting the libs into knots and they don't get it.
we can't wait to see the primaries. Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:58 pm to ChineseBandit58
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I have watched Dick Cheney for 35 years and have never seen a single instance where his motives could be questioned.
If you have an instance, let's hear it.
What's the standard for you to question a politician's motives? I would think a company receiving no-bid contracts from the DoD while the VP is receiving deferred compensation and holding stock options is enough to question, at least, but I suspect your view is rather rosier.
I'd also say that the $250 million settlement with Nigeria over bribery charges is troubling, seeing as KBR copped $400 million in fines to Nigeria, and the duo together copped $600 million in US fines plus a guilty plea from the KBR CEO. There was definitely something going on at the upper echelons there. To say nothing to the sleaze involving Dresser and their oil-for-food transactions; Cheney claimed to have "stopped" them, but they went on for a year and a half after they were acquired in 1998, until just before he was being sniffed as VP.
Naturally, we don't know that Cheney was involved with the Nigerian bribery, or how aware he was of the Dresser-Iraq connections before February of 2000. Politics is uncertainty. I think it's pretty blasé to say they're things you can't even question, though.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:39 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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He's twisting the libs into knots and they don't get it.
I don't see how he could be twisting true liberals into knots, rather he's offering them moral clarity which they appreciate. However, Democrats are a different story.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 3:17 pm to MJM
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I'm really starting to like this Rand Paul guy more and more.
Rand Paul has retracted his criticism of Dick Cheney's Iraq motives. Does this mean you're going to like him now less and less?
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What a little twerp.
Say anything, Rand, if you feel like it will you a nomination.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 3:41 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
plus it seems to me that if Paul is going to make that accusation, if that is what he believes, then he should be willing to try and have Cheney prosecuted...I mean he should have some evidence to make that accusation. Don't just make the accusation and not have the balls to try and make it stick.
I think he is only trying to draw a distinction between him and other Repubs/conservatives, which is what he spends most of his time trying to do
I think he is only trying to draw a distinction between him and other Repubs/conservatives, which is what he spends most of his time trying to do
Posted on 4/13/14 at 3:47 pm to Iosh
I think the money is secondary to Cheney. Power is what motivates him. He's a sociopath, and he manipulated us into a war because he could. That's the only reason sociopaths need for the things they do.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 3:53 pm to Rex
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What a little twerp.
he said, without so much as a tinge of irony.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 3:58 pm to Jim Rockford
He's SO far from a sociopath. Get the frick over yourself. Let me give you the correct diagnosis.
Cheney is an ideologue. To say he is a "Neocon" would be technically incorrect, but maybe broadly correct. He is a part of the National Review School of Conservatism that agitated in it's peculiar way for Nation Building since the early 1980's. The idea was that America was going to spread democracy. It was a weird kind of Conservative Utopianism and it was sincerely believed. The people of Iraq would see Democracy, enjoy it, and it would spread. And it carried the day. And now we live with it's results.
If you were there, you'd know precisely how inevitable it was, and how correct I am. It played out slowly, built over time, and was the One Great Hubris of Conservatism. And a major reason along with Bush's Statism why so many on the Right have distanced and abandoned The Republican Party.
Get the frick over yourself. Let me give you the correct diagnosis. Cheney is an ideologue. To say he is a "Neocon" would be technically incorrect, but maybe broadly correct. He is a part of the National Review School of Conservatism that agitated in it's peculiar way for Nation Building since the early 1980's. The idea was that America was going to spread democracy. It was a weird kind of Conservative Utopianism and it was sincerely believed. The people of Iraq would see Democracy, enjoy it, and it would spread. And it carried the day. And now we live with it's results.
If you were there, you'd know precisely how inevitable it was, and how correct I am. It played out slowly, built over time, and was the One Great Hubris of Conservatism. And a major reason along with Bush's Statism why so many on the Right have distanced and abandoned The Republican Party.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:00 pm to Rex
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Rand Paul has retracted his criticism of Dick Cheney's Iraq motives.
I wouldn't necessarily call him a flip-flopper, but he is calibrating his message a little in order to maintain his Presidential viability.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:00 pm to MJM
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RP: Cheney used 9/11 as excuse to invade Iraq for the benefit of Halliburton
If he really believes this he needs to do EVERYTHING in his power to get charges brought against Cheney. If he doesn't he is a pussy and all talk.
ETA: I just saw someone already brought this up!
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plus it seems to me that if Paul is going to make that accusation, if that is what he believes, then he should be willing to try and have Cheney prosecuted...I mean he should have some evidence to make that accusation. Don't just make the accusation and not have the balls to try and make it stick.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:03 pm to lsu480
Maybe his views evolved
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:11 pm to lsu480
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If he really believes this he needs to do EVERYTHING in his power to get charges brought against Cheney. If he doesn't he is a pussy and all talk.
He retracted his criticism. Yep, he is a pussy and all talk.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:17 pm to Rex
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Yep, he is a pussy and all talk.
Could be the quote of the year.
In some middle school playground.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:21 pm to MJM
Rand Paul is a pimp.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:23 pm to goatmilker
Rex is sad. He's disappointed in the lack of dead ranchers. He had already ordered the t-shirt off the Daily Kos website. His blood lust goes unquenched for now. Poor Rex Black Heart.
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