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re: FC Barcelona Gets Hit with Transfer Ban
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:42 am to hendersonshands
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:42 am to hendersonshands
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Bayern should hijack that Halilovic deal.
No, no more players for Bayern. Leave some for the rest of us.
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:47 am to joey barton
Beniesta wasn't implicated because his parents moved to Barcelona and they are officially pretending they moved their for their own personal reasons, not because of Ben's offer to join La Masia.
Look, Barca broke the rules as they stand now, and should be punished for it (although I am sure many clubs do as well). And I agree that there should be rules to protect young players, no doubt about that. But that one part of the rule is pretty damn absurd. Do you really think ANY of these kids' parents are moving to Barcelona, Madrid, London, etc because they just happened to decide they wanted to relocate there, and not because of their kid? From everything I've read, Barca are in trouble because of 10 players, of whom either their parents didn't move with them, or they weren't convincing enough that their parents moved for their own motives.
It should also be noted that Barcelona and all of the kids in question were already banned from participating in any FIFA tournaments, and have been for a while. Barca's gem of La Masia is included in the 10, Lee Seung Woo.
Look, Barca broke the rules as they stand now, and should be punished for it (although I am sure many clubs do as well). And I agree that there should be rules to protect young players, no doubt about that. But that one part of the rule is pretty damn absurd. Do you really think ANY of these kids' parents are moving to Barcelona, Madrid, London, etc because they just happened to decide they wanted to relocate there, and not because of their kid? From everything I've read, Barca are in trouble because of 10 players, of whom either their parents didn't move with them, or they weren't convincing enough that their parents moved for their own motives.
It should also be noted that Barcelona and all of the kids in question were already banned from participating in any FIFA tournaments, and have been for a while. Barca's gem of La Masia is included in the 10, Lee Seung Woo.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:03 am to TFTC
The way I understand the rule is that Barca can sign all the players they want, they just can't register them with FIFA and the FA, so they won't be able to play competitively. They can bring players in, have them train with the team, and pay them, but they can't play.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:05 am to lesismeaurx
This isn't correct, I don't think. Because all of the players in question weren't playing competitively already. And FIFA was already imposing sanctions against those players.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:07 am to Puddinhead
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Do you really think ANY of these kids' parents are moving to Barcelona, Madrid, London, etc because they just happened to decide they wanted to relocate there, and not because of their kid?
Of course not.
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they weren't convincing enough that their parents moved for their own motives.
I don't even think that you have to actually be convincing, because the Ledermans aren't convincing.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:08 am to Puddinhead
Halliovic was playing competitively in Croatia. Ter Stegen is playing competitively in Germany. They can agree to terms with those players, those players can join, but they can't register with the Spanish FA, so they can't play for Barca.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:10 am to joey barton
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I don't even think that you have to actually be convincing, because the Ledermans aren't convincing.
Well then what do you think the issue is? Because I know that some of the kids in question have their families in Barcelona.
Just read this, sounds like the Saints bounty situation.
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FIFA asked Barcelona for explanations since the beginning of 2013, club failed to do so. Punishment is a consequence of the board ineptness.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:12 am to lesismeaurx
Sorry, I didn't realize y'all were talking about senior players being affected by the transfer ban. I was thinking you were discussing the youth players being implicated.
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 10:13 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:13 am to Puddinhead
I think ter Stegen's agent said he doesn't think he'll be able to move to Barcelona and ter Stegen said he's 100% leaving this summer. Valdes might be back at Barca again next season.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:16 am to hendersonshands
A few MAtS related tweets:
According to FIFA sources, transfer deals that have already been agreed upon by Barcelona could go through despite the ban. [sport1]
“You can assume that ter Stegen will not be out of work,” the agent said. “I am not a solicitor, but the question is if signed contracts are still valid or if they come under the transfer ban."
Vom Bruch (agent ter Stegen): "We're calm about transfer ban. We'll see if Barcelona will appeal and what happens in the coming weeks." [s1]
Vom Bruch (agent Ter Stegen): "Not clear if ban is for future deals or also for deals already closed. Marc anyway expected to leave." [s1]
It's not clear what transfer ban means for the deals on Ter Stegen and Halilovic. Ter Stegen's entourage hopes transfer can go through. [md]
According to FIFA sources, transfer deals that have already been agreed upon by Barcelona could go through despite the ban. [sport1]
“You can assume that ter Stegen will not be out of work,” the agent said. “I am not a solicitor, but the question is if signed contracts are still valid or if they come under the transfer ban."
Vom Bruch (agent ter Stegen): "We're calm about transfer ban. We'll see if Barcelona will appeal and what happens in the coming weeks." [s1]
Vom Bruch (agent Ter Stegen): "Not clear if ban is for future deals or also for deals already closed. Marc anyway expected to leave." [s1]
It's not clear what transfer ban means for the deals on Ter Stegen and Halilovic. Ter Stegen's entourage hopes transfer can go through. [md]
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:17 am to hendersonshands
If I was Valdes, I'd ask for a 1 yr deal for 500k/wk. see how much Barca would pay to avoid a season of Pinto.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:19 am to Puddinhead
I would imagine that you'd at least have to give the appearance that you could have made the move on your own, e.g., the Ledermans said that they made the move on their own and took care of their own shite once they got there, minus the kid. I wouldn't think that FIFA would try to look deeply into intent, but it's FIFA, so who knows.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:20 am to Puddinhead
Rafael Hernández ?@RafaelH117 11 min. Deulofeu and Rafinha will return, Ter Stegen is signed, Samper and Denis Suárez will be promoted. It's a disaster but a manageable one.
Hernandez also said that ter Stegen put pen to paper during the January window, but they were keeping it under wraps until VV announced his new club. Makes sense considering MAtS's agent keeps talking about signed contracts.
My guess is Barca still get a ban, but delay it long enough with an appeal to make the transfers they've already had in place (MAtS and Halilovic).
Hernandez also said that ter Stegen put pen to paper during the January window, but they were keeping it under wraps until VV announced his new club. Makes sense considering MAtS's agent keeps talking about signed contracts.
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Barcelona are allowed to ask for a preventive suspension of FIFA's transfer ban until there is a final decision in the case. [marca]
My guess is Barca still get a ban, but delay it long enough with an appeal to make the transfers they've already had in place (MAtS and Halilovic).
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:28 am to Puddinhead
rafael hernandez is a barca supporter. he gets very defensive of barca and shows a good deal of bias towards them for being a reporter.
not that what he said here isn't true, i dunno. just and fyi
not that what he said here isn't true, i dunno. just and fyi
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:30 am to PTBob
Yea I've followed him for a while now. I know who he is. I'm just relaying information. He's also right very frequently.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:31 am to Puddinhead
I imagine that those transfers will go through, along with the approval through the FA. I wouldn't be surprised to see an appeal push the ban back and allow Barca to sign players this summer.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:34 am to joey barton
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:12 am to joey barton
quote:Sefardís?
the Ledermans said that they made the move on their own and took care of their own shite
Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:15 am to Dandy Lion
I don't know
They are Israeli, though
They are Israeli, though
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