re: Official Comic Book Hero Tournament (Round III) Results In!

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how did yall debate that ice man would win?

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/end of Wolverine vs Iceman debate

In all honesty though, Wolverine's powers pale in comparison to the powers of other mutants.

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then do you not allow Hal's other forms? he can change rings, which alter things quite a bit. for example, red rings dont even use energy as their weapon.

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Well, she can't do it at will. Like I said, it requires massive amounts of energy. That is one of the reasons Captain Atom is her dream opponent. If Hal chooses to fight her without constructs, it would even the playing field, or even move it in his direction.

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its funny how overly powerful some of these characters appear after debating. im sitting here thinking "well then how the hell does anyone beat (insert hero)? that has to be a pretty crappy line of comics"

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It all depends on the villain. Most heroes' archenemies are either their opposites or they negate the hero's powers.

Batman - Joker
Polar opposites of the spectrum.

Superman - Lex
Opposites. Superman can't use his powers against him.

Ms. Marvel - Mystique
Energy absorption is irrelevant.

what about mass wise? The only reason I ask is that the Firestorm wiki page says this: Firestorm has the ability to rearrange the atomic and subatomic structure of inorganic matter, rearranging subatomic particles to create objects of different atomic characteristics of equal mass.

Again, I'm not familar with this character and wiki could very well be wrong.

Match #1
place #1: Firestorm
place #2: Zatana
--I'm going to give this one to Firestorm. My take on it is that Zatana thinks he's a demon (because of the flaming head) and tries to dispel his tie to reality (thus ending the match quickly by sending him home). The dispel doesn't work (since he's not a demon) and he realizes she's a mage so he creates a ball-gag in her mouth and binds her hands in solid steel mittens.

Match #2
place #1: Shazam
place #2: Hellboy
--Hellboy is strong and durable, but he's just not in the Shazam/Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor league.

Match #3
place #1: Wonder Woman
place #2: Black Bolt
--Wonder Woman over-powers Black Bolt but ties him in her lasso and commands him to say he yields. He does, she loses.

Match #4
place #1: Hulk (Planet Hulk)
place #2: Ghost Rider
--This is a strange one, so bear with me...

To beat the Hulk, the actual spirit needs to be in control of Ghost Rider, not the human host. The human host in control is badass, but not on Hulk level. With that, Hulk would need to have done something worthy of the Spirit of Vengance's attention. Just throwing them in an arena together doesn't cut it as, just as in the World War Hulk series, Ghost Rider just rides off since there's no punishment to mete out. Winner by default: Hulk.

Match #5
place #1: Superman
place #2: Power Girl
--Supes

Match #6
place #1: Spider-Man
place #2: Flash (Barry Allen)
--Fun fight, but Barry is just too fast for Peter.

Match #7
place #1: Ms. Marvel
place #2: Green Latern (Hal Jordan)
--Contrary to where others are going with this, I am going to take the stance that Ms. Marvel can absorb the green energy (it's energy, after all). With that, Hal falls almost as quickly as Captain Atom.

Match #8
place #1: Jean Grey
place #2: Thor
--Thor has a healthy telepathic resistance. While Jean is a strong telekinetic as well, her telekinesis is just not in the same class as Thor's might.

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Ms. Marvel - Mystique
Energy absorption is irrelevant.

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yes but ms marvel can easily beat mystique. how is that her rival?

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I wonder if Jean can use her telekenetic ability to lift Mjolnir?

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No way. She's not that powerful unless I'm arguing for her to beat Blue Beetle.

GLs constructs are manifestations of an emotion. In a GL it's will. Yellow it's fears, etc. can marvel absorb emotions?

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Match #13
place #1: Black Bolt
place #2: Deadpool

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This is bullshite.