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Sid in Lakeshore
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Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the Bryant assignment, but it reads like that task force is just a hypothetical mechanism for the project. It's not saying the BOR is outdated, just for the hypothetical of the project. Seems like a decent assignment to get kids to ponder their rights and what other rights may be needed.


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Its up to parents to monitor what content is being taught.
Perhaps. Then again, that puts many of the kids CC is intended to help, at risk instead.






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Perhaps. Then again, that puts many of the kids CC is intended to help, at risk instead.


Yes, it's a slippery slope, one way or the other.






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Larry Gooseman
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Posted by LSU2001 One of hone best history professors I ever had at LSU was Gaines Foster. In his course the new south he routinely has us read two books back to back that discussed the same events and time period from vastly different perspectives. I found that to be a very effective method to show that depending on your place in said events, the interpretation could be very different. History is not a collection of facts or dates, history is a telling of events and being able to critically examine the author's interpretation is key to understanding the events.


Which books?






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quote: Whomever chose that is either a liberal or an idiot.


The 2 are not mutually exclusive


In a Venn Diagram, without an electron microscope, you can't even tell that there are two circles.






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Its up to parents to monitor what content is being taught.

You cannot monitor what you cannot see or hear. I cannot comment on Common Core, but re: CSCOPE, parents were originally not given access to the lesson plans, supposedly due to “intellectual property concerns.” It was hidden in a veil of secrecy. CSCOPE has been strategically rebranded as TEKS Resource System.

Here are some comments from reviewers on the committee formed by the Texas SBOE:
On the lack of transparency:“Some of our most qualified reviewers felt handicapped in their work due to not having the full documentation with the supplemental addendum of supporting aids included with the CSCOPE lesson plan materials.”

“Other than handouts, posters, computer research of undeterminable content or material written on the board, unless the student is allowed to bring all the material disseminated in a class home, it is impossible to know what “history” is being learned or for that matter, being taught. This is the greatest drawback of not having textbooks. At least with textbooks, a parent could read what the student is required to read. This brings me to the obvious: the student doesn’t have to read. Reading stimulates the brain and requires discipline. Effective reading is essential to be successful in virtually all careers. CSCOPE has tossed reading out the window in favor of group chit-chat sessions where the students are expected to teach the students."

On the US Government curriculum: "The curriculum is not rigorous enough for seniors in high school; very light weight. One panelist even thought that it was for a lower grade level."

"Really strong instructors would be needed to overcome the weaknesses in the curriculum."

On economics: “Lesson one assumes that the FDIC is infallible and will always bailout insolvent banks and protect savers."

On world history: “Some panel members felt strongly that inappropriate levels of political correctness prevented objective and accurate presentation.”

CSCOPE Review






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MrTide33
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Alahunter


Aside from the fact that this obviously needs to be explained as not how the Bill of Rights could be revised, in a way, I like how this can get students to think about the rights we have, and what's most important to us.

It should also be explained that the Bill of Rights are great and don't actually need to be updated

ETA: I think the example would be a good exercise for jr. high school.



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Two I remember off hand are Lanterns on the Levee and Black Boy. They both discussed the effects of the 1927 flood but from vastly different perspectives.
The assignments and discussions further analyzed these perspectives.






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1. I think the 'revised bill of rights' exercise looks awesome.

2. It's not Common Core, it's an AP prep exercise. The worst thing about about common core is now every weird anecdote about how a course was taught will now be blamed on Common Core, as if everything up to this point in history has been taught perfectly.

It's like a derp magnet.



The blog is a bit confusing because its really talking about two things.

1) The book "The Americans" which is a commmon-core approved book (see my post above)

2) A teacher in Bryant Arkansas who is either incompetent or sloppy or both.







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SpidermanTUba
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While you're logically correct, the implicit construction of the statement is pretty clear, ie, that the right only applies to citizens acting in a militia


No, the meaning is that the REASON we have the right to bear arms is so we will have a citizen-militia - which can be interpreted to include any citizen who owns a gun. Your interpretation would be reasonable IF the authors hadn't clearly stated the 2nd was a "personal right".

The wording isn't really the best, but its made clear that it is a "personal right" by the text - and not by "implicit construction" - its stated explicitly.



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You cannot monitor what you cannot see or hear. I cannot comment on Common Core, but re: CSCOPE, parents were originally not given access to the lesson plans, supposedly due to “intellectual property concerns.” It was hidden in a veil of secrecy. CSCOPE has been strategically rebranded as TEKS Resource System.

Here are some comments from reviewers on the committee formed by the Texas SBOE:
On the lack of transparency:“Some of our most qualified reviewers felt handicapped in their work due to not having the full documentation with the supplemental addendum of supporting aids included with the CSCOPE lesson plan materials.”

“Other than handouts, posters, computer research of undeterminable content or material written on the board, unless the student is allowed to bring all the material disseminated in a class home, it is impossible to know what “history” is being learned or for that matter, being taught. This is the greatest drawback of not having textbooks. At least with textbooks, a parent could read what the student is required to read. This brings me to the obvious: the student doesn’t have to read. Reading stimulates the brain and requires discipline. Effective reading is essential to be successful in virtually all careers. CSCOPE has tossed reading out the window in favor of group chit-chat sessions where the students are expected to teach the students."

On the US Government curriculum: "The curriculum is not rigorous enough for seniors in high school; very light weight. One panelist even thought that it was for a lower grade level."

"Really strong instructors would be needed to overcome the weaknesses in the curriculum."

On economics: “Lesson one assumes that the FDIC is infallible and will always bailout insolvent banks and protect savers."

On world history: “Some panel members felt strongly that inappropriate levels of political correctness prevented objective and accurate presentation.”

CSCOPE Review


Texas education problems are a little bit different than the rest of the country. Texas has more politics injected into you education than any other state in the nation. WTF did a Young Earth Creationist Dentist have any business as the chairman of the Texas Board of Education. Thank Goodness more moderate republicans are coming the board with some education credentials.

Common Core also received criticism for not being tough enough ,but their are only a handful of states with standards tougher than the Common Core. None of those states are in the deep south. Also, the Common core doesn't stop you from going beyond the standard.



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No, the meaning is that the REASON we have the right to bear arms
No it isn't.
Just as the statement "Spidy does not come across as an arse troll when he is not posting on Tigerdroppings," isn't the saying same thing as "Spidy does not come across as an arse troll."






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Common Core also received criticism for not being tough enough
Link?

Every criticism I've seen of common core is that it is centered on CC's encouragement of accepting wrong answers as long as one explains their reasoning for those answers. The same thesis is held for teaching from text materials with "varied perspectives."

It is an approach not dissimilar in theory from equally egregious attempts to teach Creationism and Evolution side-by-side as nothing more than "different perspectives."

That is a problem.






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bu-but being anti common core is like being anti vaccination.



That really was the stupidest thing I've seen on this site... that includes all of the SEC boards.







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Maxx99
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WTF did a Young Earth Creationist Dentist have any business as the chairman of the Texas Board of Education. Thank Goodness more moderate republicans are coming the board with some education credentials.

Well, I'm no fan of Ratliff either, his family is a bunch of career politicians, he's a RINO and Microsoft lobbyist.

In the same vein, WTF does a community organizer have any business being POTUS? It is increasingly rare that we elect anyone with pertinent credentials anymore.

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Texas education problems are a little bit different than the rest of the country.

Precisely why my children attend private school here.






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NC_Tigah
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That really was the stupidest thing I've seen on this site... that includes all of the SEC boards.

Sarcasm?






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For the love of God, this has not a damn thing to do with common core! In fact, the common core standards pertain only to English and math. It's the result of a teacher's poor judgement on which resources to use.





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Its up to parents to monitor what content is being taught.


No way, parents taking responsibility for what goes into their balls of mush.

Not in America!






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NC_Tigah
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this has not a damn thing to do with common core!
Wrong.
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common core standards pertain only to English and math
Wrong.
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It's the result of a teacher's poor judgement on which resources to use
Right.






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Paluka
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Posted by asurob1 quote: Its up to parents to monitor what content is being taught. No way, parents taking responsibility for what goes into their balls of mush. Not in America!


See my post earlier in this thread.






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