re: Well fellas, it's offical: we f'ed up on that Tyreke signing

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Tyreke was a total bum for an entire season until the past month.

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A real bum would be josh smith

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This should have never been in doubt. Great players start. Coaches have no choice but to do it. The fact that there is a question, is an indictment of Evans as a player or as a fit on the team.

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That's because monty had no idea what he was doing with him.

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To quote the earlier guy, it was a whole month and the rest of the year wasn't that great either. It's not premature to call the guy a bust after 60 games. That's 3/4's of the year. Now, he is putting up stats. I'm not sure it is helping us or not, but I'm glad he has turned it around somewhat. I still think the signing was a mistake.

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I'd say going 9-3 over the last 12(and tyreke was a huge part of that) is certainly helping us. He was not a bust for 60 games just had consistency issues that would've never been there if monty knew what he was doing.

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Got nothing to do with that. I like or have accepted the Holiday trade. The Evans deal is totally separate. I don't like him as a player. I would have rather kept Vasquez (who can do everything Evans does), Lopez and taken the extra 6M and got a decent SF. He is a special fit guy and needs special circumstances to succeed. Even then, I don't think it leads to wins. It just fattens his stat sheets and makes him look good.

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Sorry just the vibe i got

Vasquez is not even close to evans. Tyreke is far far more talented and can actually stay in front of guards and not be a slowpoke. I like gravy and all but the guy doesn't come close to a guy of rekes caliber.

Lopez is an average center and we have enough of those.

We can get a decent SG/SF whenever EG is out of the picture. Even if he isn't the SF market is pretty solid this year.

Tyreke's done pretty damn well with basically a mash unit and he's actually winning games now.

I'd be pretty pleased if I were y'all.

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Evans literally makes 10x more than Vasquez. His role as a back-up PG/SG/SF could have easily been covered by Vasquez, with very similar results. I just don't see Evans the same way you do. I know he is talented, but it's a very unusual skill set..

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Even if we stuck with vasquez we would be looking for someone else the next season. It would've been a short term move with minimal payoff. I'm really starting to think dell brought in tyreke to replace EG, and all of a sudden you have a starting 2 that can play 3 postions versus a guy that's 27 and can really only play 1 effectively(the guy ain't a SG/SF).

Tyreke as a starter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gravy as a backup

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Davis is winning games. Everybody else is just along for the ride. They do compliment each other at times, but Evans is getting his run off of what Davis does. Maybe that is something to build around. We'll see, since Evans is totally unmovable right now. But I'm not pleased. This thing can go several different ways. It is going to take a wonderful summer to put this team together the right way. It's a monumental task and I don't envy the front office to try and pull it off.

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AD is amazing but to downplay rekes involvment in the streak is assnine.

We don't beat UTA/LAC/MIA/BKN/BOS without reke.

About the team building:

We'll have around 7.5 mil in cap space to add a SG/SF that can 3+D or a center like gortat(preferably this)

If EG is gone it looks even better

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Stat line tonight..

29 mins, 11 pts (4/13), 4 rbs, 4ast, 0st, 5tos, -25 (+/-)

Glad he stepped up in the big spot with everybody else hurt. He got owned by Marco and Manu..

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Wow. You're right. One bad game completely ruins everything for him.

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Way to jump in a page late..

February (11 games)

9.4 ppg (37%), 4.3 rpg, 4.9 apg, .5 spg, 1.7 topg

I'm probably being too judgmental though, so how about..

January (12 games)

11.9 ppg (39%), 3.6 rpg, 3.6 apg, .9 spg, 2.3 topg

Throw in the fact he has already missed 10 games this season due to injury and illness. It doesn't look like a great 12M a year investment. Don't worry though, we'll figure it out next year. No harm there. You guys are totally right. He is a steal, 6th man of the year and a star in the making as our 4th or 5th best player..

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You also forgot he was only playing about 23 minutes at that time.

And he only makes about 10.5 mil a year(on average) which is about right for a guy that'll average 18/6/6 when he starts. He's probably the 2nd or 3rd best,not a fifth guy like you're suggesting.

I'd stack the guys recent play against almost anyone right now.

Acting all sarcastic about the guy doesn't help the argument at all. I get you don't like his game or the supposed fit and that's fine but he's being successful and busting his arse for our team.

That's more than I can say about some other guys around the league.

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he was blowing up, he'd play more minutes. Monty doesn't intentionally sit hot players game after game

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Lol

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Let's be honest, you bumped this thread originally to throw his recent success in people's face and mock those guys that doubted him. So I'm not sure why you would be so sensitive to one of those guys (me) defending our stance or fighting back.

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Not the case


It's to show you shouldn't give up on a guy so easily which y'all prematurely did.

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If he was blowing up, he'd play more minutes. Monty doesn't intentionally sit hot players game after game. He didn't see a bigger role for him, so he didn't play him as much..

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Yes like he's sat rivers when he's hot or how he sat AD last year at times.

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I take contracts year by year. He's making 11.7 this year. He doesn't average 18/6/6. You can take certain segments of any guy's seasons, concentrate on those few games and mold them into whatever you want.

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Those are his per 36(those are minutes a starter plays) and his per 36 for this year is exactly that.

His play has rebounded to his statistical norm
(or exceeded it) after a slow start.

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That wasn't directed at you. I answered sarcasm with sarcasm. I respect what you post and I know you are a very positive guy. I appreciate it and that's why I take your views in stride. If you really believe that Evans has had a good year, that he has turned the corner and will be solid next season. Then I tip the hat to you and I'm totally jealous, cause I'm not sold.

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Fair enough and i respect yours as well even though I don't agree with some of them

It was a good discussion

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LosLobos

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Thank you for trying my man, but brmark is beyond reason. He is either a troll or just completely ill-informed(he's used this as an excuse before:"well I don't know much about basketball but I'm going to shite on everything"). I'm not going to engage in this discussion with you because: I know you would just say things with no reason (if Tyreke was so good, why couldn't he get more minutes before?(as if Monty hasn't made stupid decisions in the past)), that just make you appear to look like an arse (only AD was responsible for the wins (33 points on 19 shots from Tyreke to bring us back against Brooklyn)) and/or make me want to throw things.

Tyreke's salary is 11.7 million according to Spotrac. There are 13 players within his range (i.e. 1 million above or below his figure). These players include: T. Parker, Garnett, Ibaka, Pekovic, Horford, Kris Humpheries, David West, Rondo, Noah, Rich Jefferson, Deandre Jordan, Batum and Ty Lawson. Taking out Richard Jefferson, because he's a clear outlier here, as his PER is 12.2, the average PER of this group is 18.207. Tyreke's PER is .... 18.2.

This is obviously not perfect, but I really can't stand the arguments about what a 12 million dollar a year guy is like or what he should do. All the above info can be verified via Basketball reference if someone cares to fact check.

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Vasquez (who can do everything Evans does)

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