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re: Penn State offers Franklin. Vandy matches the offer. If true props to Vandy
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:58 pm to TigerMyth36
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:58 pm to TigerMyth36
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You would be wrong.
Vandy has a 3.4 billion endowment
I stand corrected. That's insane.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:02 pm to REG861
If he does leave, who are some candidates to replace him?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:44 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
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I stand corrected. That's insane.
Not really. I mean you do know who the school is named after, right?
Seriously, money has never been an issue for Vandy. They've always been a rich kid school and always will be. They're a lot like the University of Virginia in that regard -- old money southerners who fancy themselves aristocrats send their kids there while the highly intelligent scholarship and student loan kids keep it an academic school. This benefits both sides as the rich kids get a prestige degree and the regular kids get the social connections they need for successful careers after college. The level of regular students from all walks of life keeps it from being too snotty but there are still issues.
That moneyed clubby set is small but they're present and because of the politics of Nashville and the school they can be as offensive/naive as they want to be while the rest of the student body tries to find ways to ignore them (you wouldn't believe some of things a friend of mine was asked by that set). The student body as a whole is like most schools and filled with good people but that little core of money matters and they will pay whatever it takes to get what they want. Right now if that moneyed set wants Franklin then money won't be the deciding issue.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:58 pm to Eurocat
Just listening to Vandy's AD tapdance on The Zone w/Travis & Co. Lots of clichés, not comforting.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:34 pm to VoxDawg
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Gary Patterson
Has tried to get out of TCU numerous times. Apparently he doesn't interview well. Was almost the coach at KState before the old man decided he was coming back.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:51 pm to Eurocat
If Vandy really matched the offer then great move by them. Either Franklin stays and builds on what he is doing there or Franklin goes and it sends a message to other coaches and recruits that they are taking the football program seriously now.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:18 pm to Vandyrone
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The thinking being that the stadium is a dump and is long over due for renovations. Will be part of the plan to build the fan base.
What horse shite. No fan attends a game due to the stadium being pretty. You either have a fan base or you don't. A stadium doesn't add to your fan base.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:11 pm to Eurocat
John Clark NBC10 (@johnclarknbc10)
1/8/14, 9:55 PM
NBC crew in State College says Pres Rod Erickson, AD Dave Joyner got off plane at airport, coming from Destin, FL, where James Franklin was
1/8/14, 9:55 PM
NBC crew in State College says Pres Rod Erickson, AD Dave Joyner got off plane at airport, coming from Destin, FL, where James Franklin was
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:40 pm to VoxDawg
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Exactly. Bill King was saying this morning that Gary Patterson was likely the last "hot" coach who tried to stick it out at a school that he'd made temporarily relevant, stubbed his toe a few times in the seasons since, and hasn't been mentioned for one of the big jobs whatsoever.
Peterson wasn't stupid a second time around, wonder if better learns his lesson too.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:03 pm to Prof
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Not really. I mean you do know who the school is named after, right?
I understand that but I never would have guessed that the endowment was double PSU's. You do know how loyal PSU fans are right, with also the largest alumni numbers in the U.S. (or very close to number 1)? WE ARE!
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:05 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
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I understand that but I never would have guessed that the endowment was double PSU's. You do know how loyal PSU fans are right, with also the largest alumni numbers in the U.S. (or very close to number 1)? WE ARE!
Absolutely - y'all are football crazy and no doubt PSU fans rival many SEC fan bases in their madness and devotion to football. PSU can get things done that Vanderbilt can't despite Vanderbilt's money.
There's no space in Nashville to upgrade things beyond a certain point. I don't think Vanderbilt even owns the land to close the stadium end zone and land constraints limit its potential capacity - adding an upper deck would be difficult because there's just not a lot of space to support that kind of addition. Practice fields and training centers dedicated solely to football are also limited due to space limitations. They have plenty of money though and can provide salary. It's other things that limit them.
The big issue with Franklin has always appeared to be his disappointment that Nashville didn't come out and support them more. That's inbuilt at PSU just like it's inbuilt for most SEC teams but Vandy still has to build their fanbase. That takes time and is far harder to do in a city with an NFL team and countless other things to do on a Saturday, especially when a good portion of the public is already devoted to another college team.
Personally, I think CJF is headed to PSU because the opportunity is too good to pass up.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:08 am to Pilot Tiger
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unfortunately 9-4 is more than likely Vand'y ceiling.
To be fair, no one ever thought we'd win 9 games in consecutive years or finish top 25 2 years in a row. It could be the best we do, but this talk of already hitting the ceiling seems like an "ok, we were wrong before...but you are still Vanderbilt and only allowed to be THIS good."
With that said, he could easily win national championships at PSU, especially with the playoff. At Vandy, he'd be fighting tooth and nail to win even the East. The fanbase thing is extremely disappointing, but it's not unexpected from Vandy fans. All in all, I can understand why he would leave, but of course, I want him to stay.
The biggest thing to tie him to Vandy is his sense of having unfinished business. Franklin seems like a man of his word and leaving now almost feels like he did not finish what he set out to do here. I'm not saying I would fault him or feel betrayed, but he has shown himself to be a very dogged and stubborn competitor.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 12:19 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:17 am to Prof
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The big issue with Franklin has always appeared to be his disappointment that Nashville didn't come out and support them more. That's inbuilt at PSU just like it's inbuilt for most SEC teams but Vandy still has to build their fanbase. That takes time and is far harder to do in a city with an NFL team and countless other things to do on a Saturday, especially when a good portion of the public is already devoted to another college team.
This makes a lot of sense. That area in Pennsylvania is basically nothing but PSU sports and the fanatic fan base is already in place. I'm worried that just like O'Brien, the idiot fans will harass him about not being JoePa. Really grandpa? Tell me bout the good old days.
It's that type of crap that I think will prevent PSU from keeping coaches around, at least for a few more years.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 7:07 am to Eurocat
If I'm Franklin I head to PSU. I get through the sanctions and build up the program. Vandy will never be a strong contender. It is as if he is coaching under sanctions at that school.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 7:46 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
There's usually a couple of years' safety net when you go to a big program like that anyway. Add in the extra release valve (read: "excuse" if it gets ugly) that Franklin would be riding out the last years of the sanctions, and it equals an almost can't-lose opportunity for him.
Go, angry bald man, go.
Go, angry bald man, go.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:11 am to Crompdaddy8
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Vandy better match. If they lose Franklin they lose everything (which isn't much)
Their is a time to open your mouth and a time not to. Now would be a time to keep it shut. This program at Vandy is for the moment better than you.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:38 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Vandy matches the offer. If true props to Vandy
I don't know, but this may make me stay around West End...
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Brandt Snedeker ?@BrandtSnedeker 17h
Sweetening the offer to keep @jamesfranklinvu here.. Free golf lessons for life if he stays.. Impossible to turn down!! #bestcoachanywhere
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:44 am to OnTheBrink
Given that Franklin is a PA native, and that PSU has a 100,000+ stadium, rabid fan base, tons of history and would be the prime benefactor if recruiting in areas they've relied on -- East PA / New England / New Jersey / Maryland / DC / Virginia -- shifts slightly towards the B10 with the Maryland + Rutgers additions... Franklin would be a fool to pass this up. Unless, perhaps, he got a weird vibe along the lines of what O'Brien mentioned on the way out the door.
ETA: Plus, in 2015, PA has 3 or 4 offensive recruits in 247's top 100, along with a couple out of state kids showing heavy interest. Add them to a 5-star QB already in the system and two consecutive years with 5-star tight end recruits, he'd definitely be able to ride out the rest of the sanctions.
ETA: Plus, in 2015, PA has 3 or 4 offensive recruits in 247's top 100, along with a couple out of state kids showing heavy interest. Add them to a 5-star QB already in the system and two consecutive years with 5-star tight end recruits, he'd definitely be able to ride out the rest of the sanctions.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:00 am to todospm
Stanford's endowment is like 20 billion with Harvard over 30 billion so maybe Vandy feel's poor at only 4 billion
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:44 am to Doldil
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Moving to PSU apparently means dealing with "well Paterno would have done this..." yeah...frick that.
Actually, I doubt very few people in the administration even bring up his name anymore. I think what you're saying would've happened if the end of his career didn't go down the way it did. If that is happening, Penn State has even bigger issues than I thought.
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