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re: The Jazz Thread.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:44 pm to redneck hippie
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:44 pm to redneck hippie
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:06 pm to Burt Reynolds
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:37 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Can't stand miles Davis style really
That's like saying you don't like food. There are so many different iterations of Miles Davis. I'm sure you could find one you like.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:01 pm to lsu2006
jazz sux
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:09 pm to lsu2006
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That's like saying you don't like food. There are so many different iterations of Miles Davis. I'm sure you could find one you like.
I've listened to all of his albums. He's an a-hole smackhead type person tht no one wanted to work with. I respect his work and I like his earlier stuff in the 50s but most jazz enthusiasts know that he sold out and went to jazz fusion. His music became wayyyy too avant garde when he stopped using chords. It was like playing tennis without a net. There were no parameters to his music. It was borderline noise. Same reason I'm not crazy about Coltrane. There's so much better jazz out there than that isn't confusing avant garde noisef. However I equate the 16 minute solos that are border line noise to la jam band solo. It's cacuaghonous for ten minutes but it all makes sense in the last five munutes
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:11 pm to danman6336
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jazz sux
:bigcasty:
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:12 pm to danman6336
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Jazz sux
It was the original jam band and the greatest form of American music. You hate what you don't understand
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:13 pm to Burt Reynolds
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I've listened to all of his albums. He's an a-hole smackhead type person tht no one wanted to work with. I respect his work and I like his earlier stuff in the 50s but most jazz enthusiasts know that he sold out and went to jazz fusion. His music became wayyyy too avant garde when he stopped using chords. It was like playing tennis without a net. There were no parameters to his music. It was borderline noise. Same reason I'm not crazy about Coltrane. There's so much better jazz out there than that isn't confusing avant garde noisef. However I equate the 16 minute solos that are border line noise to la jam band solo. It's cacuaghonous for ten minutes but it all makes sense in the last five munutes
I agree with all this.
But I'd hardly call going into jazz fusion selling out. It was more a case of his ego taking over than anything.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:21 pm to lsu2006
Saw Miles Davis play in 1984 at the World's Fair in NO. Wynton Marsalis opened for him. Davis did not care for Marsalis, and at one point during his set, Marsalis was in the wings and wanted to play along with him. Davis (the entire concert, he kept his back to the audience), walked to the same side of the stage and physically blocked Marsalis from coming out.
Yeah, Davis was an arse, but some of his recordings are masterpieces (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain).
Yeah, Davis was an arse, but some of his recordings are masterpieces (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain).
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:23 pm to pmacneworleans
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Yeah, Davis was an arse, but some of his recordings are masterpieces (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain).
A Tribute to Jack Johnson , Pangaea, Bitches Brew, On the Corner, and Agharta are all fantastic as well
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:51 pm to pmacneworleans
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Saw Miles Davis play in 1984 at the World's Fair in NO. Wynton Marsalis opened for him. Davis did not care for Marsalis, and at one point during his set, Marsalis was in the wings and wanted to play along with him. Davis (the entire concert, he kept his back to the audience), walked to the same side of the stage and physically blocked Marsalis from coming out.
Yeah, Davis was an arse, but some of his recordings are masterpieces (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain).
frick miles davis. He's a piece of shite.
If i want to listen to that style of jazz, I'll listen to clifford brown. He would've far surpassed miles as a trumpet player had he not died.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:55 pm to Burt Reynolds
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frick miles davis. He's a piece of shite
Brownie > Miles Davis
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:58 pm to pmacneworleans
I honestly don't think any other serious jazz musicians have that much respect for wynton marsalis. yeah, he's a good trumpet player, but he doesnt even come a kunt hair close to touching the trumpeters in the 40s and 50s.
that's pretty cool that you saw miles live. how was the 1984 world's fair?
that's pretty cool that you saw miles live. how was the 1984 world's fair?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:59 pm to Burt Reynolds
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wynton marsalis.
It's pretty well known around the music scene that Marsalis is quite the cocksucker himself
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:10 pm to Burt Reynolds
If you consider yourself a jazz fan you're in the minority of hating Miles Davis. Just as Miles would say of your opinion [link=(rtsp://r5---sn-jc47eu7r.googlevideo.com/CkELENy73wIaOAm5RvqknrxADBMYJCAkFEIGbXYtcmltSARSBXdhdGNoYKHQw7z1ksP9UYoBC1BTUHVVZjRZdUhFDA==/0/0/0/video.3gp)]So What![/link]
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:42 pm to Champagne
Brazilian by far. I listen to KLSU every Sunday morning with Zia.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:18 pm to Champagne
These are more Jazz-fusion but fuggit:
Roy Hargrove & The RH Factor - Rich Man's Welfare
Snarky Puppy - Thing of Gold
Snarky Puppy - Jambone
Kneebody - Lowell
Snarky Puppy - Bent Nails
Herbie Hancock - Butterfly ft Roy Hargrove & Marcus Miller
Roy Hargrove & The RH Factor - Rich Man's Welfare
Snarky Puppy - Thing of Gold
Snarky Puppy - Jambone
Kneebody - Lowell
Snarky Puppy - Bent Nails
Herbie Hancock - Butterfly ft Roy Hargrove & Marcus Miller
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/22/14 at 2:29 pm to Champagne
My two favorite jazz albums are
Charlie Christian/Dizzie Gillespie - After Hours
It's literally a bunch of jazz freaks jamming late night and someone happened to record it. It's as hot as anything that's ever been recorded.
And Grant Green - Grant's Last Stand
Great jazz with a serious blues vibe.
Charlie Christian/Dizzie Gillespie - After Hours
It's literally a bunch of jazz freaks jamming late night and someone happened to record it. It's as hot as anything that's ever been recorded.
And Grant Green - Grant's Last Stand
Great jazz with a serious blues vibe.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 4:58 pm to Fontainebleau Dr.
Always reminded of that scene from Jerry McGuire where the nanny, oh excuse me, Au Pair, mentions "the only truly American art form,,, Jazz"
and hands Tom Cruise a tape of Coltrane and Parker in Stockholm, I believe it's Mingus playing when he's in bed with Renee Zellwegger though.
Two of the cats you have been talking about, if you haven't already, check out Zawinul and Mclaughin.
Zawinul-McLaughlin In a Silent Way
and hands Tom Cruise a tape of Coltrane and Parker in Stockholm, I believe it's Mingus playing when he's in bed with Renee Zellwegger though.
Two of the cats you have been talking about, if you haven't already, check out Zawinul and Mclaughin.
Zawinul-McLaughlin In a Silent Way
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:26 pm to pmacneworleans
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Saw Miles Davis play in 1984 at the World's Fair in NO. Wynton Marsalis opened for him. Davis did not care for Marsalis, and at one point during his set, Marsalis was in the wings and wanted to play along with him. Davis (the entire concert, he kept his back to the audience), walked to the same side of the stage and physically blocked Marsalis from coming out.
Yeah, Davis was an arse, but some of his recordings are masterpieces (Kind of Blue, Sketches of Spain).
Marsalis had been talking smack about Miles (& vice &versa) said that Davis had't played anything since 1969(pre fusion).
Davis criticized Marsalis for playing old shite he had stopped playing in the sixties. Marsalis said he wanted to confront Miles & let his horn do the talking & Miles told him to 'get the frick off my stage ' & stopped playing briefly until Marsalis left.
I am one of the few who is not a huge Davis fan as well , but I cannot deny the man's catalogue. He is desert Island type Artist & moves on from style to style fairly quickly. Not too much repetition like I must admit about one of my favorite artist(Thelonius Monk) whose catalogue is very repetitive.
I don't know if I'd call Miles a 'sell-out' as Jazz had become stagnant in Miles eyes & was no longer the popular music it once was. Jazz is "Pop" music & somewhere along the line in Miles mind it seems to have lost it's way & became out of touch with Pop.
Miles thought Jazz should be just as relevant as Prince(whom he really liked) ,Sly Stone & be able to excite a crowd like Rock & Rollers.
Davis saw nothing wrong with Jazz connecting with popular music again or it was gonna get left behind/die..
Damn good discussion.
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