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re: Barry Bonds: It would mean a lot to me to make the Baseball Hall of FamePosted by ballscaster on 11/30/13 at 11:48 am to trackfan
quote:We don't have enough information to conclude that since we don't know who voted for whom, when, and why. You could be right, but we don't know.
Thanks for the info. Based on the figures you've presented, I think we can safely assume that a majority of those 198 writers who were around in 1991 are hypocrites.
quote:I remember reading that. A BBWAA writer who wants to place a moral value on his Hall of Fame vote has a tougher job than it sounds. I myself, if I were a BBWAA writer, would err on not voting in people I've known to have used PED's, but I don't know for sure. I have no problem with a writer voting one way or another. These writers do put serious thought into it, and there are gazillions of them, and if 300 of them vote against you, then I can't honestly go to all 300 of those and tell them that they're wrong for it.
Anyway, check out what Mike Schmidt said in an article from the New York Times about amphetamine and steroid use, keeping in mind that he was inducted into the Hall of fame in 1995.
Here's another way to look at it:
BBWAA voters of our generation--ie, voters who began voting after Perry's induction year--comprise of about 75% of all voters. Any one of these voters who refuses to vote for a known PED user into the Hall and stays consistent with that throughout his BBWAA membership timeline is of a fine, straight, acceptable, non-hypocritical conscience. If 1/3 of our generation's voters have this in common with him, then that spells "doom" for anyone who is on the ballot and is known to have used PED's, and if this is so, we can't rightly call the BBWAA as a whole a hypocritical electorate.
This post was edited on 11/30 at 11:55 am
re: Barry Bonds: It would mean a lot to me to make the Baseball Hall of FamePosted by Bestbank Tiger on 11/30/13 at 12:05 pm to ballscaster
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A BBWAA writer who wants to place a moral value on his Hall of Fame vote has a tougher job than it sounds.
Yep, and what complicates matters is that baseball's HOF, unlike football's, includes a character clause. Of course, Ty Cobb makes a mockery of that, but it's still supposed to be a factor in the decision.
re: Barry Bonds: It would mean a lot to me to make the Baseball Hall of FamePosted by The White Lobster on 11/30/13 at 12:53 pm to Seymour
I'm fine with keeping Pete Rose out. He broke a much more serious rule.
The problem with not voting steroids guys is that you have no idea who used or who didn't. It's unfair to assume either way. Best way to handle it is to just vote the best players of the generation...like how it's always been done in the past
The problem with not voting steroids guys is that you have no idea who used or who didn't. It's unfair to assume either way. Best way to handle it is to just vote the best players of the generation...like how it's always been done in the past
re: Barry Bonds: It would mean a lot to me to make the Baseball Hall of FamePosted by Navytiger74 on 11/30/13 at 12:55 pm to Zappas Stache
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There would be a bronze shortage if his juicy head went into the hall.
re: Barry Bonds: It would mean a lot to me to make the Baseball Hall of FamePosted by ballscaster on 11/30/13 at 1:26 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:And Cobb had the highest voting % ever until Tom Seaver in 1972
Yep, and what complicates matters is that baseball's HOF, unlike football's, includes a character clause. Of course, Ty Cobb makes a mockery of that, but it's still supposed to be a factor in the decision.
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