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re: Barry Bonds: It would mean a lot to me to make the Baseball Hall of Fame
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:08 am to trackfan
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:08 am to trackfan
And there's no justification for using steroids and expecting baseball writers to ignore that when voting for the Hall of Fame, regardless of what anybody else in any era did.
So I guess it'll be put to a vote.
So I guess it'll be put to a vote.
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Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:17 am to ballscaster
The fact Barry Bonds won't sniff the hall of fame is why I hate baseball and its stuck up fans.
The dude was the most feared hitter of our time, and we are suppose to pretend he never existed.
There wasn't a pitch the guy didn't see. He knew what it was before it left the pitchers hand and that's worth more then anything as a hitter. Put the dude in the hall
The dude was the most feared hitter of our time, and we are suppose to pretend he never existed.
There wasn't a pitch the guy didn't see. He knew what it was before it left the pitchers hand and that's worth more then anything as a hitter. Put the dude in the hall
This post was edited on 11/30/13 at 12:18 am
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:21 am to tankyank13
quote:a) The fans don't get a vote
The fact Barry Bonds won't sniff the hall of fame is why I hate baseball and its stuck up fans.
b) Anything worth remembering of Bonds is already in Cooperstown. He's just not in the northern wing with the plaques.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:21 am to tankyank13
No ! Put the dude in jail !!
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:23 am to hendersonshands
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if he's not in the Hall of Fame then it means nothing
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:24 am to MottLaneKid
People that vote are the most prestigious fans, and most fans agree with those that vote
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:26 am to tankyank13
No one from his era should go in then. More than 50 percent were on something.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:27 am to tankyank13
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Posted by tankyank13 People that vote are the most prestigious fans, and most fans agree with those that vote
This can't be serious.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:27 am to tankyank13
quote:So he won't get in. Deal with it. He cheated. Just because somebody 50 years ago got voted in by writers from that era despite cheating has no bearing on whether or not it is morally incumbent on today's writers to vote against their conscience.
People that vote are the most prestigious fans, and most fans agree with those that vote
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:28 am to trackfan
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Baseball had no PED enforcement policy before 2003. IMO, there's no justification for baseball writers punishing players like Barry Bonds for taking steroids before 2003
Yes there is. Steroids had been banned by the MLB since 1991.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:31 am to RollTide1987
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Yes there is. Steroids had been banned by the MLB since 1991.
But baseball had no problem with steroids when they were making bank over the 1998 home run race. It was obvious payers were juicing, but baseball ignored it until they absolutely could not anymore.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:32 am to BamaDude06
quote:Sucks for the several cheaters who would get in the Hall if not for their cheating.
But baseball had no problem with steroids when they were making bank over the 1998 home run race. It was obvious payers were juicing, but baseball ignored it until they absolutely could not anymore.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:33 am to ballscaster
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Deal with it
You realize the purpose of a sports message board is to discuss sports topics, right?
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:34 am to BamaDude06
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It was obvious payers were juicing, but baseball ignored it until they absolutely could not anymore.
You mean when Sosa and McGwire actually admitted to using steroids? Yeah...it's difficult for baseball to ignore a problem when everyone starts to come clean. You may have suspicions but you don't always have proof.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:34 am to ballscaster
How many test did bonds fail? Whats the number?
I love how the league uses their best players for their scapegoat and make examples of them. Mean while their game had never been more popular and turned blind eye to the obvious.
I love how the league uses their best players for their scapegoat and make examples of them. Mean while their game had never been more popular and turned blind eye to the obvious.
This post was edited on 11/30/13 at 12:37 am
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:36 am to ballscaster
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And there's no justification for using steroids and expecting baseball writers to ignore that when voting for the Hall of Fame, regardless of what anybody else in any era did.
Why should players be punished for doing something that wasn't illegal at the time that did it? Athletes in track and field and other Olympic sports who took steroids back in the 60's were never stripped of their medals by their governing bodies after rules were passed banning them. Retroactive justice is something you expect in some backwards totalitarian state, but not the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Furthermore, shouldn't sportswriters be consistent in their sanctimony? Miquel Tejada was suspended for 100 games this year for taking amphetamines, the drug of choice for players in the 70's and 80's. If the pre-2003 steroid users are considered no better than the post-2003 steroid users, then certainly the pre-2003 amphetamine users are no better than post-2003 amphetamine users.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:38 am to trackfan
Yea dudes in like the 30s were taking things that would be banned today
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:38 am to tankyank13
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People that vote are the most prestigious fans
I guess it all depends on how you define prestigious. There's nothing prestigious about them IMO.
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:38 am to RollTide1987
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Yes there is. Steroids had been banned by the MLB since 1991
Show me the link to the 1991 policy. It's bullshite unless it lists specific substances by their scientific names, as is done in every other sport's PED policy. I say this because the word steroid is used by lay people to cover all PED's, despite the fact that many of these substances are not steroids.
This post was edited on 11/30/13 at 12:46 am
Posted on 11/30/13 at 12:39 am to RollTide1987
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You mean when Sosa and McGwire actually admitted to using steroids? Yeah...it's difficult for baseball to ignore a problem when everyone starts to come clean. You may have suspicions but you don't always have proof.
Everyone in baseball knew players were using steroids.
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