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Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:56 am to OceanMan
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Seriously arguing that the only people that care about the team discuss it on this board?
I think you're completely right, it's not like we have even a small fraction of STH's or the TV audience posting here. But just because they aren't posting online doesn't necessarily mean what's discussed here is unrepresentative of what the "average fan" discusses.
Also, as far as us not shaping the discussion of the "average fan", I believe 42 has alluded to 10,000+ subscribers to the BSS podcast in the past, and McNamara has referred to 50,000 downloading a podcast. I don't know how accurate those numbers are nor do I have any clue how much traffic we get here, but if the BSS podcast numbers are anywhere in the ballpark then what is discussed on this board by "obnoxious know it alls" is most definitely shaping what the "average fan" discusses just like news sites affect what is discussed at the water cooler in offices around the country. Why do you think the TP cut back the print issues? It's because more and more people are getting their news from blogs like BSS and from news aggregation sites like TD. You don't have to post here to come here regularly. They used to have a lurker to member count before the site got big and there were always way more lurkers than members.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:57 am to HeadyBrosevelt
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What is your goal in here?
I have reiterated my point about 5 times guy.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:02 am to corndeaux
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I will just say that if you want the board to be better, don't be afraid to participate. Start threads, add to the topics, etc. More posters who want to talk about the team in a serious (that doesn't exclude humor at all) way are always welcome
I guess that is what I am saying; I don't have the time or patience to sift through the bullshite to find someone that wants to respond to me.
Also, to my original point, there is a feeling of elitism that if you don't spend all offseason and day on this board, that you don't know what you are talking about.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:03 am to OceanMan
People in putting their 'persona' above the real team... Franchise, community, businesses... Is the root of some issues. Grinding axes baselessly (not an outburst or humor) and doggedly defending one position that can't be adequately supported against another with the same deficiency is an example.
The personal attacks when you disagree with the wrong person is a big turnoff to most. It's like a minefield.
I don't care since I'm a self-important brick wall (according to reports here), but that is basically what is left when you run off the interested parties who just won't make the leap into asking for abuse randomly.
The personal attacks when you disagree with the wrong person is a big turnoff to most. It's like a minefield.
I don't care since I'm a self-important brick wall (according to reports here), but that is basically what is left when you run off the interested parties who just won't make the leap into asking for abuse randomly.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:03 am to TigerinATL
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Have you or any of the 4 other guys you talk with ever expressed the level of outrage over Rivers that shamelesspel has?
Is this really all about Rivers or the culmination of watching Monty fail at developing another young guard? There is palpable apathy/uneasiness when it comes to Monty Williams and the fanbase right now. Rivers is the next big thing that will showcase Monty as a stubborn, talentless mule of a coach. Every guard/wing not named Vasquez has arguably played their best basketball under the tutelage of coaches NOT named Monty Williams.
Paul
Thornton
Belinelli
Green
Rivers
Holiday
Gordon
Henry
Evans
Miller
Ariza
The fact is it's becoming more and more obvious that Monty just does not understand the game of basketball through the eyes of the perimeter. He is, quite frankly, borderline great developing big men and developing personal relationships with his players. The list of bigs he made better is almost as impressive as the list of guards he's made worse.
It doesn't detract from the fact that most of the average fans are wondering what the hell happened considering their expectations (fair or unfair) for this team heading into this season. Davis is better than any of us could have imagined and we still look mediocre at best right now.
But yes, use your message board "currency" to show how much of a superfan you are compared to the rest of us. We will see who's right if Rivers continues to sit on the bench with DNP-CD's while Holiday/Roberts play bad basketball. I stand by it. The frustration is building no matter how much internet monies is spent arguing the opinion.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:06 am to OceanMan
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I would like to be able to come on here time to time when I am watching a game by myself on a Wednesday, and rationally discuss what I see rather than seeing a bunch of guys whining about the same shite day after day.
Game threads are the worst. Way too bipolar. The only way we can fix this though is for people like you that want something better to participate. I'd much rather have an intelligent discussion about Z Charts than see another thread where someone trolls the board with inflammatory rhetoric. But there just aren't enough people interested in the higher end discussions to drown out the noise.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:06 am to OceanMan
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I work at a place that would not allow me to accumulate 10k posts in less than a year, for starters.
How much does an oil change cost?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:07 am to 42
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that is basically what is left when you run off the interested parties who just won't make the leap into asking for abuse randomly
Thank you. Though I don't think you are defending my post, I think you make my point. Look at the discussion I got for even mentioning the vibe in the arena concerning Austin Rivers. I see what I see and hear what I hear. Yet, the first few replies are flames and sarcastic ROFL emotes. I'd assume part of that is based on the fact that some of them haven't been in the arena and feel obligated to make those opinions seem founded on those that do.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:09 am to ShamelessPel
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Is this really all about Rivers or the culmination of watching Monty fail at developing another young guard?
With you, it's all about Rivers and it couldn't be more clear.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:11 am to TigerinATL
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I'd much rather have an intelligent discussion about Z Charts
Tell me more about these Z Charts...
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:13 am to JimmyLoincloth
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How much does an oil change cost?
Dude, you are completely proving my point. I am not pointing fingers, I am not being rude, just stating my opinion. Hell the person I initially responded to is a good poster on this board, and has responded to me courteously.
You said I was the only one making a claim, I pointed to 3-5 posts up refuting your statement, and you go to an earlier post to try and attack me.
An oil change runs me about $85, but my car only takes synthetic.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:16 am to ShamelessPel
Dude I get it.
People are still raw over Thornton and don't want to see Rivers shipped off and have success somewhere else.
But you made the post after the game. After Roberts was awful and Monty changed his tactics, inserting Rivers to the lineup.
I agree that Rivers deserves more time, but being apoplectic after Monty did what you wanted is bit strange to me.
People are still raw over Thornton and don't want to see Rivers shipped off and have success somewhere else.
But you made the post after the game. After Roberts was awful and Monty changed his tactics, inserting Rivers to the lineup.
I agree that Rivers deserves more time, but being apoplectic after Monty did what you wanted is bit strange to me.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:18 am to JimmyLoincloth
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Tell me more about these Z Charts.
Z Chart Bump with some of the stats (Efficiency Ratings, REB%, etc for certain lineups) would be pretty cool. I'll put it on the list
I'm definitely going to bump the Player Tracking Stats thread in a few weeks to see how things are going on that end.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:25 am to corndeaux
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I agree that Rivers deserves more time, but being apoplectic after Monty did what you wanted is bit strange to me.
Was based on the observation that the situation is getting more frustrating to people by the game. I fail to see how this is any different from the Marcus situation. Marcus would occasionally play, people in the arena would go nuts, then we wouldn't see him for 5 game stretches. It is starting to seem like deja vu is the point of the whole thread. It is starting to happen...again. Rivers comes in. People cheer. Rivers leaves the game. People cheer. It's that simple.
I suppose it's possible that Pierre does funny dance moves and gets the crowd going at the exact time the events happen and I am just missing it. Or, people just want them some more AR.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:26 am to corndeaux
Rather than expressing ignorance, he was expressing prior knowledge in a way that wouldn't alert The Man to him having prior knowledge.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:26 am to OceanMan
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Dude, you are completely proving my point.
It was a joke, dude. Lighten up. You come in here guns blazing and expect everyone to respect you. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Not on the internet, and not in real life. quote:
You said I was the only one making a claim, I pointed to 3-5 posts up refuting your statement, and you go to an earlier post to try and attack me.
You pointed to one post that responded to you in what was almost certainly a sarcastic manner.
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An oil change runs me about $85, but my car only takes synthetic.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:31 am to TigerinATL
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Rather than expressing ignorance, he was expressing prior knowledge in a way that wouldn't alert The Man to him having prior knowledge.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:35 am to ShamelessPel
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I fail to see how this is any different from the Marcus situation.
Look at their rookie PERs.
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Rivers comes in.
People cheered when Charlie Thompson came in the game. I bet people cheer when Withey comes in the game, too.
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Or, people just want them some more AR.
Or you are just wanting it to reaffirm your own opinion.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:37 am to ShamelessPel
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Thank you. Though I don't think you are defending my post, I think you make my point. Look at the discussion I got for even mentioning the vibe in the arena concerning Austin Rivers. I see what I see and hear what I hear. Yet, the first few replies are flames and sarcastic ROFL emotes. I'd assume part of that is based on the fact that some of them haven't been in the arena and feel obligated to make those opinions seem founded on those that do.
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it... Classic one.
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