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re: 27 senators who promised you could keep your health coverage
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:26 pm to Hoyas
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:26 pm to Hoyas
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I think what this shows is that nobody had the slightest clue how this would all work. Obama led the charge (lie) about "keeping your plan if you like it".
The truth is insurance companies have been working to make sure their plans fit into the criteria under the Gold, Silver and Bronze Plans. Most of the plans being dropped are plans the insurance companies actually lose money on, not saying all. The promise Obama made was that the Feds could deliever the database with exchanges for the insurance companies.
Well Obama couldn't deliever and whats the worst part is he is now trying to blame the insurance companies for not offering customers their old plans. I mean the balls on this guy! Anyway the insurance companies are in limbo until the site can be fixed, plus the entire pool of patients in the exchange are sickly and costly patients. I have no idea how you can even fix these problems. If Obama has a Republican House and Senate his final 2 years it's going to be knife fight.
I agree with everything in this post. However I don't feel bad for any of them frick the insurance companies they helped write the bill to begin with because lets face it what could be better for the health insurance market than making it a requirement for everyone to have it.
Any type of healthcare reform should come in addressing real concrete problems in the system. Healthcare has a scarcity problem, lets address that like we would a food problem. We'd reward people for growing more food, so lets reward people for taking on medical professions. Lets make it simple to go to a nurse when you're just a little sick or need a checkup.
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Posted on 11/16/13 at 2:51 pm to Hoyas
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I think what this shows is that nobody had the slightest clue how this would all work. Obama led the charge (lie) about "keeping your plan if you like it".
If Obama had no clue, then who is running the show? Whoever wrote this legislation must have lied straight up to these senators and Obama.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 3:10 pm to GumboPot
Nice. Stickied.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 3:26 pm to GumboPot
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Whoever wrote this legislation must have lied straight up to these senators and Obama.
Center for American Progress = Gyorgy Schwartz (George Soros) thru many of his nefarious organizations (Tides/Media Matters/ACORN/MoveOn). Oh, they knew it was intended to crash the system, they're just too heavily invested in progressivism to get out. It's like trying to remove yourself from organized crime, your ending won't be pretty ! This democrat party 'ain't' your grandfather's democrat party.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 4:16 pm to Champagne
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The US electorate has a bad memory and is easily persuaded by mass media propaganda. I don't see Obamacare as a long-term setback for Democrats.
Sad but very true.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 4:40 pm to Hoyas
Baucus, Harkin and Rockefeller have all announced they are not seeking reelection in 2014. 
Posted on 11/16/13 at 4:52 pm to Hoyas
powerful post. I was talking to my mom yesterday about the tie between this type of dishonesty and a major crisis of legitimacy when it comes to national security. I don't absolve previous administrations from same exact thing but the arrogance level of the change and transparency mantra is stunning. nutshell is, if leaders will lie to you about something this big and important on a domestic level then you can't trust them to protect our interests globally. protecting us requires secrets to be withheld. and we have to trust that info is withheld for a good reason. if an admin is willing and driven to lie about this shite then we cannot trust them to competently carry out their primary duties.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 11/16/13 at 5:24 pm to McLemore
I'm just glad our nuclear weapons program wasn't initiated under this administration.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 6:37 pm to Hoyas
Doesn't matter. Most if not all will be re-elected.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 6:43 pm to FenrirTheBeard
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Most if not all will be re-elected.
100% sure not all will be re-elected. See my post above.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 6:51 pm to McLemore
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. if an admin is willing and driven to lie about this shite then we cannot trust them to competently carry out their primary duties.
Shut up! This man killed Osama!
Posted on 11/16/13 at 7:27 pm to Hoyas
Up vote
Posted on 11/16/13 at 7:32 pm to Hoyas
Not one liberal will post in this thread
Posted on 11/16/13 at 7:55 pm to Wild Thang
Why?
Those people were dead-arse wrong and I hope their opponents run those quotes non-stop.
Those people were dead-arse wrong and I hope their opponents run those quotes non-stop.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 7:57 pm to Wild Thang
Bechich recently said he purchases insurance off the exchange and will forego his employer based insurance. I'm sure there's more to it.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So when will the first libtard hack post in this thread? They willingly lied so that they could win an election.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Do you think they knew it was a lie or do you think it was a talking point handed down?
The language/overarching point seems a little too coordinated for them all to come up with it independently.
The language/overarching point seems a little too coordinated for them all to come up with it independently.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:11 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Do you think they knew it was a lie or do you think it was a talking point handed down?
The language/overarching point seems a little too coordinated for them all to come up with it independently.
It's definetley both.
A talking point can also be a lie you know.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:13 pm to Sentrius
I agree. I guess it comes down to whether each individual knew or if they just repeated the line and were hoping for plausible deniability if it turned out to be inaccurate.
Still doesn't mean their opponents' shouldn't hang the quote around their necks, though.
Still doesn't mean their opponents' shouldn't hang the quote around their necks, though.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Bechich recently said he purchases insurance off the exchange and will forego his employer based insurance. I'm sure there's more to it.
How magnanimous of him. Except for the fact that he has a six-figure salary and fat pension, all at taxpayer expense, so he can afford to shop on the exchange.
Those of us with real jobs aren't quite so lucky.
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