re: LES MILES = Bobby Bowden of the SEC

THIS....

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A normal fan would hold the next coach up against the accomplishments of the former...you'd like them to meet and surpass him, assuming he was solid. In any measurable way, Miles has done that at LSU...despite following the first coach in decades that helped bring LSU a national title and national prestige again. And yet, it isn't enough. Instead, Miles is not held up and compared to Nick Saban while at LSU. He's compared to this non-existent Saban at LSU based on the misconceptions LSU fans have that had Saban stayed at LSU he'd have had the same success he's currently having at BAMA. All this despite the fact that Saban's teams only lost less than 3 games a season one time. All this despite the fact that we all know BAMA exists in an entirely different SEC than we do. An SEC with favorable schedules, that gets do-overs, that has the conference office set up in its home state, etc. We seem to forget that simply being "Nick Saban" was not enough to get the SEC to even pay attention to his bitching about having to play the Friday after Thanksgiving. We also seem to forget that once BAMA's coach, the minute they switched the Iron Bowl to that day, he bitched and it immediately was moved back and LSU was thrown onto Friday again. If Miles was being compared to BAMA's coach whileat BAMA, then I could respect that. Miles isn't being compared to Saban as BAMA's coach. If he was, he'd lose but the argument would be close. He's being compared to a fantasy, and in that battle he's never EVER had a shot.

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He's 58-17 with one SEC title and one NC appearance. That's better than any other coach in the SEC besides Saban

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So you're admitted Miles did not improve, but in fact, regressed.

That's all I wanted to hear. You can throw the "Saban has improved" argument as a defense for Miles out now.

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Why are some of you using this to support your argument?

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It's all they have.

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So your saying Saban has learned as a coach and has gotten OBVIOUSLY better since winning his first national championship.

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Why would he, or I, be saying that?

Personally I'm ok with just saying that Saban, as an elite coach, has a MUCH easier time have prolonged success at BAMA than he did at LSU. Being BAMA's coach, with the built in advantages that comes with (I'm not even going to bother to list these again) makes it easier for prolonged success than it is at LSU.

In addition, some fans seem to forget 2004. This was Saban's 5th team and featured a group of guys almost entirely his own. That team needed over time and the help of the gods of filed goal defense to beat an out manned Oregon State team. It lost on The Plains to AU...got prison raped by UGA 45-16, and we all know what happened against Iowa in the bowl game. In year 5, Saban had the team in a position where we had no viable option at QB (5th year Marcus Randall or RS Freshmen Russell of Flynn), had a team that looked unmotivated or unprepared to play games against OSU, UGA, TROY, etc.

But this was 2004...when the LSU fan base had been brow-beaten into submission by Saban into NEVER questioning "The Process." The things which are now pointed out regularly (team playing down to opponents, not prepared, guys leaving early) could not be discussed because to do so was called "catastrophe syndrome."

Personally...from everything I have gathered from talking to people over the years, I think Saban's time here was running out anyway because of his nature. But assuming for a second people could have tolerated him, I see no reason at all that Saban would not have had continued "success" at the level he had already had while at LSU. I can only hope it would have been equal to what we've seen Miles' teams accomplish. To think it would have automatically matched what we've seen him do at BAMA JUST because it's the same coach is just a comical assumption...which by itself would not be that big a deal. The problem is that in making that assumption far too many LSU fans have become jaded to just how good we DO have it, and have worked themselves up into a state where they can never be happy.

Les Miles at LSU and Bobby Bowden are both all-time top 25 coach/school tenures.

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Other than the fact that Miles is indisputably the most successful LSU coach ever, we don't have much of an argument. I don't expect you to understand that from your sidewalk.

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LSU

You?

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LSU

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Then act like it and stop shitting on your school.

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Then act like it and stop shitting on your school.

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Miles does not equal LSU

sorry.