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re: The Final Word on Ole Miss by Odell Beckham
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:09 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:09 am to LNCHBOX
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There is a very small part of me that hopes our next coach is a giant failure just so you idiots wanting Miles gone maybe will wake up.
Definitely not, but there is a part of me who kinda hopes Miles goes just so everyone will stop bitching. The constant negativity has been ongoing for years and wears me down.
Of course the next coach will get nothing but glowing reviews until the first time he loses; in which case it all starts over again.
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:10 am to Cold Cous Cous
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Saban actually outcoached himself to a large degree
Really not going to give Miles the credit on that one? Miles gets no credit for making the QB switch (even though I'm not a JJ fan, I can recognize that won us that particular game)? It was all just Saban screwing up? Are you a closet Bama fan, because you sound like them. quote:
If he hadn't made those two incredibly bad decisions, the 2012 Bama game would've been Les's coaching masterpiece.
So the busted coverage isn't the reason we lost? Defense had to make one stop and didn't. You want to blame a fake more than a play that lead to the winning points?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:11 am to Cold Cous Cous
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Of course the next coach will get nothing but glowing reviews until the first time he loses; in which case it all starts over again.
Fact.
Doesn't matter who the coach is as I recall LSU losing to ole miss under Saban and hell Sabans own daughter asked her dad if "they were gonna have to move again"
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:11 am to Cold Cous Cous
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Definitely not, but there is a part of me who kinda hopes Miles goes just so everyone will stop bitching. The constant negativity has been ongoing for years and wears me down.
Of course the next coach will get nothing but glowing reviews until the first time he loses; in which case it all starts over again.
Exactly. There will always be these dumbasses that whine and complain no matter how much we win. Must be really fun to be them.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:12 am to LSUnowhas2
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the 4 million bucks a year that Miles is paid makes it his fault
What exactly is his fault?
Players in the best of program fail to execute the best of game plans at some point in a football game. Maybe that comes in the form of a turnover, missed blocking assignmment, bad pass route, missed cut back from a running back, poor zone defense execution, etc.
As far as this game goes, or any game you lose by 3 points, it can boil down to one player making one mistake that he was coached hard on.
So, what exactly is Miles fault here, that other high paid coaches aren't also "at fault" for any any normal football game?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:14 am to LNCHBOX
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Really not going to give Miles the credit on that one? Miles gets no credit for making the QB switch (even though I'm not a JJ fan, I can recognize that won us that particular game)? It was all just Saban screwing up? Are you a closet Bama fan, because you sound like them.
wtf are you talking about. If you can't see that my post was incredibly complimentary of Miles (I give him credit for outcoaching Saban in 3 of their last 4 meetings) you have reading comp problems.
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So the busted coverage isn't the reason we lost? Defense had to make one stop and didn't. You want to blame a fake more than a play that lead to the winning points?
Yes, I think our best chance to win was to get a first down on offense at the end, not put the game in the hands of the defense. I also think calling a fake FG on 4th and more than 3 or 4 is a very low percentage play, and that particular fake was just very poorly designed & executed.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:17 am to Cold Cous Cous
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wtf are you talking about.
You said Saban outcoached himself in 2011.
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Yes, I think our best chance to win was to get a first down on offense at the end, not put the game in the hands of the defense. I also think calling a fake FG on 4th and more than 3 or 4 is a very low percentage play, and that particular fake was just very poorly designed & executed.
Well I guess we just disagree. I think the play that actually cost us the points that won the game is more important than anything else. It was another example of Chavis shitting the bed at the end of a half. Pretty disturbing trend really. Both halfs of that game, Clemson game, UGA this year, this past weekend.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:19 am to Jrv2damac
About a week age another ranter said Lsu program was in decline. I laughed out loud, now I am down to a slight smile. Our Tigers are not the same team after the beat down against Bama in the NCG. Some how now they seem like they don't care anymore. 
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:19 am to LNCHBOX
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There is a very small part of me that hopes our next coach is a giant failure just so you idiots wanting Miles gone maybe will wake up.
And the truth comes out.
At least its a small part.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:19 am to LSUnowhas2
Les is not worth 4 mill. He's a good guy and a good coach. He is definitely not a great coach. Les is as good as the assistant coaches around him. If you look at the performance of his teams and the coaches for those teams you will see that this is true. Fortunately, he will make a change when he sees poor coaching, but it is always a year too late. He doesn't seem to have the ability to detect and fix detect poor coaching in the Spring, Fall, or while the season is in progress. It's probably beyond his ability. I'm not saying fire the coach in season or pre-season, but you have to be able to 'coach' a coach.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:20 am to GABlueDog
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And the truth comes out.
The point, it sailed straight over your head.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:22 am to DEG
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What exactly is his fault?
Players in the best of program fail to execute the best of game plans at some point in a football game. Maybe that comes in the form of a turnover, missed blocking assignmment, bad pass route, missed cut back from a running back, poor zone defense execution, etc.
As far as this game goes, or any game you lose by 3 points, it can boil down to one player making one mistake that he was coached hard on.
So, what exactly is Miles fault here, that other high paid coaches aren't also "at fault" for any any normal football game?
What about giving your team a chance to tie or even win the game at the end?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:22 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Which means that Miles did a better coaching job than Saban did. How is that difficult to understand?
You said Saban outcoached himself in 2011.
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I think the play that actually cost us the points that won the game is more important than anything else. It was another example of Chavis shitting the bed at the end of a half. Pretty disturbing trend really.
Right. Our D had given up more than one last minute drive already that year. Why put them in a position to get another?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:23 am to LSUnowhas2
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the 4 million bucks a year that Miles is paid makes it his fault. He is the head coach and takes the credit right along with the criticism. That is the reality of the situation. Miles took the blame because that is what a head coach is supposed to do.
Yep.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:27 am to LNCHBOX
I get what you are saying, and this likely will occur. If we arbitrarily assign an upper echelon coach as someone who finishes winning about 80% of their games, hiring 3 in a row hasn't happened since the UA trifecta of Scott/Wade/Thomas almost 100 years ago. As far as I know anyways.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:30 am to Cold Cous Cous
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Which means that Miles did a better coaching job than Saban did. How is that difficult to understand?
To me it means that you think Saban shot himself in the foot and it had nothing to do with Miles. Especially when you say it in response to me saying Miles outcoached him.
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Right. Our D had given up more than one last minute drive already that year. Why put them in a position to get another?
If we hadn't had a drop, that wouldn't have been an issue. Pretty sure Miles didn't call for a dropped pass. The defense should have been able to not let Bama march straight down the field. The defense's inability to stop it was a way bigger factor in the loss than a fake kick.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:32 am to LNCHBOX
All "outcoached" means is "did better than the other coach." Saban is not perfect, and we saw it in Nov 2011. Miles is not perfect either, but that week he was better than Saban. I don't understand why this gets you so upset?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:34 am to Cold Cous Cous
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All "outcoached" means is "did better than the other coach." Saban is not perfect, and we saw it in Nov 2011. Miles is not perfect either, but that week he was better than Saban. I don't understand why this gets you so upset?
Do you really not understand how saying Saban outcoached himself is not the same as saying Miles outcoached Saban?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:37 am to danfraz
He's a nice guy! That'll show those voters and get us in NCG
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:52 am to LNCHBOX
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Let's start out with your whole mulligan bullshite. Les outcoached Saban in 2011, and really he did it again in 2012. In 2011 Saban was the one that got a mulligan. One busted play ruined last year, but that's not really on Miles unless you have some agenda you're pushing
First off, I'm not talking about Miles Vs. Saban, I'm talking about the body of work. I'll give Les credit some of his better games were against Bama. But I'm talking about across a full season Miles screws things up, whether it results in a loss or puts us in a bad spot and we have to struggle to survive he still does it.
The NFL talent is just another way to measure talent coming out of your program. What I'm getting at is over the coarse of the last few years talent was the reason we lose 2 games a year and not 4. As long as we have talent we'll be good enough to hang with anyone, but fall just short b/c more times than not we're not as prepared as our opponent.
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