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re: Spoke with an NFL scout regarding early departures today.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:17 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:17 pm to saintsfan22
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From the team's point of view but not from the players.
You are 100% correct but he feels that if shown the true prospects of what they will really earn, because he feels most agents aren't truthful and letting the kids know that they are probably going to earn the league mins, as opposed to staying in school moving up the draft board and then what they will earn. He feels if you are an underclassmen with talent and you are a mid-rounder in the draft your natural projection up the board the following year is the difference between millions of dollars. He said at the end of the day it is a business and should be looked at it like that. But if the agents don't sign a player that year, nothing says he will get him signed the following year. So they lie their asses off!!!!
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:17 pm to Dudebro2
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He also stated that sports agents are absolutely killing some of these kids futures "and he did put blame on scouts also."
Folks are blaming Les Miles and John Chavis for the loss to Ole Miss, but IMO most of the blame should be laid at the feet of the NFL, and the NCAA. Okay...I hear the howls and the screams but fact is LSU lost a lot of experience and talent on the defense side and it showed. In the end it was the defense that was gassed out. Great teams figure ways to win, and sure Mett was struggling but dang it....those offensive guys [including Mett] brought LSU back to the brink of a win. In the end the loss of Mingo, Montgomery, and Minter, etal really hurt. IMO, you can't put all the blame 'The Chief' for this loss, or CLM. Without a doubt LSU has a great coaching staff. The Freak and Ego played their hearts out, but in the end they were gassed.
Until the NCAA puts a lid on the NFL dangling money in the face of these young players, losses like last Saturday will be repeated at LSU and across the SEC. That is unless you're Alabama.
Spoke to a graduate of a major SEC University [School of Engineering] yesterday after Church He graudated, believe it was around 67. I was complaining about LSU's loss, and he said money has taken over the game. I agreed. Believe he said six of the offensive lineman on this major SEC football team in his senior year stayed the full four years of their athletic scholarship and graduated with a degree in Engineering. I thought that's what these football athletic scholarships were for...to help a young man [or young woman] get a quality education at a great institution?
IMO the NCAA is the NFL's bitch. And that's putting it lightly.
Have a Nice Day!!
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:22 pm to Dudebro2
The whole crux of what he was saying is that college coaches should use tools like our draft class last year to show these kids that being patient and improving your trade and skills will actually lead to a lot more money there waiting for you at the end rather than jumping at what someone is telling you that has a vested interest in you listening to what they are saying. He said just look at the examples instead of listening to the bullshite from the agents.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:33 pm to Matrixman
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Until the NCAA puts a lid on the NFL dangling money in the face of these young players,
That is not the issue, can't do it. He said the NFL plays with the hand they are dealt. You can not put the genie back in the bottle, you are going to have early entrants period end of story. But he honestly feels that the coaches, parents and advisors "not agents" need to do a better job of laying out the facts and explaining to these young men what the financial opportunities end up being if they stayed and moved up the draft board.
He also stated that there are plenty of statistics that the NFL teams have, that he knows the college coaches have to be privileged to, as to the difference on moving up the draft board is and monetary gain it will be if they stay in school another year. He stated clearly, they have all the statistics he would be hard pressed to think the college coaches don't have them. He feels the college coaches do a great job when recruiting these kids but don't do as great a job in keeping them as they should. It is all about money he said and the studies are there to show what happens if you stay and finish out with the program as opposed to leaving early. He stated each case is specific but when it would "hypothetically" benefit a player 90% of the time to stay it is not difficult to project.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:38 pm to SL Tiger
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If you were in that situation and told your kid to stay in school...Would he listen?
You would hope so, that is what parental guidance is for.
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These kids usually won't listen to reason
His biggest problem is that they are listening to people with agendas that are not in the best interest and are usually paying the price for it.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:00 pm to Dudebro2
Thanks for posting.. Was wondering about this very topic today.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:20 pm to higgins
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One thing these guys need to process, in the NFL, only sign on bonuses are guaranteed. They can cut your arse at any time.
Are you sure about that, maybe someone should contact Montgomery for further explanations on the subject matter.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:22 pm to Dudebro2
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That is not the issue,
The issue is taxpayers are footing the bill to subsidize these players, so that they can then 'jump ship' ship to the NFL. I mean these kids do get taxpayer funded benefits as part of their scholarships.....rght? I mean given the massive budgets of some of the major football programs [includng LSU] do I have a right to demand that I get what I paid for? Correct me if I'm wrong....but I assume these big school football programs do get sizeable taxpayer generated benefits? Is it asking too much for the NCAA to protect the rights of the taxpayers?
I love College football. I loathe Professional Football [i.e. NFL]. Gave up on the NFL when the "bounty on players" scandal exploded on the scene. I mean an average family can't afford NFL ticket prices anymore. But I digress.
Maybe some of this BS is finally rubbing off on the college football fans.....as in fans are not showing up for the games. Got folks in the SEC [and other conferences] front office concerned. I mean a program like LSU builds up a program, with hopes of a NC only to see that 'hope' evaporate as the NFL Scouts raid the talent. By the way, I don't believe in this 'LSU's not rebulding....they're only reloading' B/S.
Money is corrupting College football....and don't tell me it's not. In the end we all suffer...most of all the players.
Have a nice day!!
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:33 pm to TigersforEver
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It is the failure to recruit within their own team.
He pretty much said the same thing, he understands the difficulty and the lure of money and the seediness of agents that will literally do and say anything to get these kids to leave early. But what struck me from his comments is that the NFL teams have statistics where they project players to be round after round in the draft and where they would be the following year if they are underclassmen. He said there are obviously a lot of variables in the equations and each player is player specific. But he flat out stated it is scary how accurate it is with projecting where the players will be drafted the following year when they end up staying through the following year. Again he said there are exceptions to everything but for the most part the differences in dollars for the mid-round to un-drafted free agent signed to where they go the following year is very significant and ends up literally being millions of dollars over the life of their contract.
He doesn't understand why college coaches don't use those studies because he knows they have to have access to them. Teams don't give them away but their are ways to get them he said that is for sure.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:43 pm to CalTiger53
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, in their eagerness to get rich, have wandered away from the faith and caused themselves a lot of pain." 1 Timothy 6:10.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:47 pm to Matrixman
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that 'hope' evaporate as the NFL Scouts raid the talent
Well I guess you will have to have an NFL scout and a agent in the room and let them duke it out, because he squarely lays most of the blame on the agents.
He did say, the scouts, can't side step some of them blame but he explained it pretty simply. If you are an un-drafted underclassman free agent, he says, there is no way in hell an NFL scout had him drafted "in the best of cases" anywhere but the 6th or 7th round and he stressed "if that." He stated you can directly look at the agents on those cases if those players expected anything different. And if you are a mid to late round underclassman, he really would love to know exactly where the agent told the player he would be picked because for the most part he finds out, after they were picked, that their agents usually have given them advice they were going to get picked higher than what actually happens and where they are graded out to be from the NFL scouts.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:49 pm to TNTigerman
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"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, in their eagerness to get rich, have wandered away from the faith and caused themselves a lot of pain." 1 Timothy 6:10.
Amen brotha, Amen!!!
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:53 pm to Dudebro2
Great stuff!
Posted on 10/21/13 at 8:57 pm to The Creaux
Freak has another thing coming if he thinks he's nfl ready.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:02 pm to Geauxld Finger
I hope he doesn't go also but Logan has not done too badly, so he thinks there is a good possibility he might declare depending on who is in his ear, he mentioned Ego also.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:10 pm to Dudebro2
My opinion, call me crazy, but OBJ is NOT NFL-ready. He should return. Yes, he's incredibly talented. Yes, if he comes out next yr he'll probably be a first round pick. But honestly? I don't see him physically ready for the pounding he'll get in the NFL.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:14 pm to Dudebro2
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He did say there are exceptions to the rule and that is a generalization but it applies to 90% of the early entrants.
Would having kids to feed, failing out of school, being kicked off the team, or graduating early qualify as an exception to the rule??
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:26 pm to Dudebro2
Thanks for that information, Dudebro, Hopefully as you mentioned, Miles will use the mostly disappointing results of those you mentioned to keep a lot of the juniors around for another year. 
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:35 pm to TigerJeff
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My opinion, call me crazy, but OBJ is NOT NFL-ready. He should return. Yes, he's incredibly talented.
He doesn't think that, in fact he thought both OBJ and Landry are NFL ready and he said OBJ gets picked ahead of Landry even though he truly feels that Landry is and he stated it this way "a much" better receiver. But with OBJ's special teams return ability that is the biggest reason that will jump him ahead of Landry.
He said that given everything that they do know and having to project, that OBJ and Landry will not improve their draft status next year over this year. The biggest reason is an inexperienced QB starting in the toughest division, in the toughest conference in the league. He just can't envision how it is going to get any better than it is right now for them. He is not saying it couldn't happen he just doesn't like the risks. He said if you are not going to improve your draft status than purely from a financial football point of view you should leave and that is how he feels regarding OBJ and Landry. I thought he would say the same thing about HIll but he actually thinks Hill will move up dramatically on the draft board next year if he stays and stays healthy.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 11:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
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with guys like Gurley and Yeldon, it is doubtful that Hill would be a lock to be the first back taken. The difference in pay is not a big as it used to be.
It's not AS big, but check it out.
2011: Mark Ingram #28 - signed a 4 year 7.41 mill contract (fully guaranteed) with a 3.89 signing bonus
2012: Trent Richardson #3 - 4 year 20.48 mill contract (fully guaranteed) with 13.34 mill bonus
2012: David Wilson #32 - 4 year 6.68 mill contract (5.4 guaranteed) and a 3.30 mill bonus
2013: Giovanni Bernard #37 - 4 year 5.25 mill contract with 2.2 mill bonus
Where you are signed in a round usually dictates how much you get and if being signed the first of your position also plays a part. Just from the last 3 drafts, you see there is a 13 mill difference from 3rd and 28th.
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Ok the 2nd-7th backs taken in 2nd, 3rd, 4th rds of 2013
Le'Veon Bell #48 - 4 year 4.37 mill contract 1.37 mill bonus
Montee Ball #58 -
Eddie Lacy #61 - 4 year 3.39 mill contract 847k bonus
Christine Michael #62 - 4 year 3.37 mill contract 834k bonus
Knile Davis #96 - 4 year 2.75 mill contract 516k bonus
Jonathan Franklin #125 - 4 year 2.58 mill contract 405k bonus
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There is no major difference between mid first and early second rd and from mid second to late fourth is a difference of just 2 mill.
Hill would definitely be taken ahead of Yeldon and would probably look more valuable to NFL scouts because of his running style and the fact that he's not a bruiser. Hill would get a lot of receptions out the backfield in the NFL.
It's not that big of a deal if you are one of the top 5-6 backs taken. Unless you are in the top 10, you won't be pulling in grand theft money.
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