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As I've said, ignore the build examples. They've been out of date since October, really. I probably should have never put them in the guide, because deals, rebates, etc. make brand prices change wildly. The components with the most volatile prices are GPUs, PSUs, and RAM.


I think that's what's most useful sifting between parts and compatibility is always what halted any progress on building my own. There's often just too much.






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DieDaily
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I think that's what's most useful sifting between parts and compatibility is always what halted any progress on building my own. There's often just too much.
What I like doing is going to the Build a PC for me subreddit, looking for the top rated posts for the last month, and then picking a request around my budget. The people there are good about posting exactly what parts you should buy to hit your budget and the more you read through those threads, you'll start to see trends around which components are being recommended right now.






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ILikeLSUToo
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bluebarracuda
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You, along with most people on /r/buildapc, have no idea what you're talking about





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DieDaily
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You, along with most people on /r/buildapc, have no idea what you're talking about
Though similarly named, that's not the subreddit I linked above. For a beginner building their first PC, most of the builds posted on /r/buildapcforme are just fine. I was just offering up another place where Freauxzen could get some more build suggestions.

Regardless, I see you and ILikeLSUToo have it covered so I'm done.






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ILikeLSUToo
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My was actually meant for Freauxzen. The guide is meant to teach you how to sift through all the parts for compatibility and understand what you're buying and why. Once you've ticked a few boxes on PCpartpicker to narrow it down to only the relevant components, it becomes far less overwhelming. You can go to various forums for part lists, and you'll learn nothing but individual opinions with no context.

I get that the guide is long. I doubt that any single person has read through the whole thing. Most are skipping to the part lists -- and that's your right to do that, but in my opinion they are the least useful thing in the guide, because they're essentially out of date within a few days of making them. That includes the part lists on Reddit. Unless the list was made the same day you're purchasing components, you probably aren't getting the most optimal configuration for your money. PC component prices change with the wind, which is why a $600 part list today could turn into an $750 part list tomorrow, simply because a PSU rebate expired, Newegg randomly raised the price of that particular RAM kit, Amazon stopped carrying that particular brand of the GTX 760 and the price defaulted to another retailer with jacked up prices, etc. etc. etc... and if you couldn't come up with an optimal part list on your own, then you probably aren't informed enough to quickly and easily find a lower-priced equivalent of a particular part when necessary.

Think I'm going to replace the part lists at the end with something slightly more enriching. Maybe cliffs notes that condense the relevant facts.



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DieDaily
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I agree with you. The ideal way is to learn about all of the individual parts you need, why, and what's compatible with what. I've built several PC's for myself and others and I don't even know all of the details of your guide. It's pretty exhaustive and very informative. (I've probably read about half of it.) And if a person wants to learn about this hobby, it's a great place to start since the author is here and clearly willing to answer questions. That's more than you'll get from an article on a random tech site.

However, if someone just wants to build a system real quick and needs a list of parts that will work together, you can do much worse than Reddit. The community there is pretty helpful.

Personally, if I were building a PC for the first time, I'd probably read through your guide, do some of my own comparisons and research, and then set up some deal alerts on a site like Slick Deals for the components I need. Then, I'd accumulate them over a few months to get the most bang for my buck.

I'm not sure if you care, but I think removing the parts list is a good idea. If someone really just wants a list of components, there seems to be several here who will offer up to date suggestions.






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bluebarracuda
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Slick deals is the bomb. I also use /r/buildapcsales (basically takes everything from slickdeals) more since I'm on reddit more often


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DieDaily
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/r/buildapcsales

I didn't know about that subreddit. Thanks for sharing. I'll have to add it to my Reddit front page.






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ILikeLSUToo
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Just did a massive update to the PDF, Added 9 pages of CliffsNotes and tried a new approach to the "Sample Build" section at the end.





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Freauxzen
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My was actually meant for Freauxzen.


Eh...ok? Why?

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The guide is meant to teach you how to sift through all the parts for compatibility and understand what you're buying and why.


Except:

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I get that the guide is long. I doubt that any single person has read through the whole thing.


I did. The entire thing, because yeah I wanted to know, but it still doesn't help. I feel like I'm going to miss some random "F" in Radeon - FHG 860FXblahblah and get the completely wrong part based on that. Like you said, things change daily, and even if you have some static information about intel's line of i5 Core 870GFX, two days later you may need the 870HFX instead (all gibberrish, yes). That's what I'm afraid of. I tried to keep up with computer parts once before, and unless it's your job, it's just really hard to look at numbers and tell what you need to buy and when and what it goes into.

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Once you've ticked a few boxes on PCpartpicker to narrow it down to only the relevant components, it becomes far less overwhelming.


But am I sure that EVERY Gigabyte board is worth it? They don't make ANY clunkers? If that's true of the guide, that's ok, but I'd rather know the exact high quality part rather than sifting through every motherboard Gigabyte offers and reading reviews and trying to find the right one.

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and if you couldn't come up with an optimal part list on your own, then you probably aren't informed enough to quickly and easily find a lower-priced equivalent of a particular part when necessary.


You're right there. Or it's a time dedication thing. I'm in this spot where I know plenty about computers (installed my first Voodoo card at age 14 to play Quake and UT 1), and where the information is just in complete overload at the moment and there are 15 versions of a Radeon HD chipset, I'd rather seek the advice of hobbyists I trust (which I would think this thread is for) or people who's job it is. I can probably assemble it with little hassle but compatibilities are just a tidal wave of information that's hard for others to sort through.

I hope this doesn't seem to ranty, not meant to be.

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ILikeLSUToo


I will check out the new guide. No matter what, you've been extremely helpful in this regard. As has the others in this thread.



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ILikeLSUToo
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I did. The entire thing, because yeah I wanted to know, but it still doesn't help. I feel like I'm going to miss some random "F" in Radeon - FHG 860FXblahblah and get the completely wrong part based on that. Like you said, things change daily, and even if you have some static information about intel's line of i5 Core 870GFX, two days later you may need the 870HFX instead (all gibberrish, yes).


That's what I've tried to address with the new approach to the sample builds at the end of the guide. I've provided links to pre-sorted parts for every budget level. With the exception of maybe the case, it makes part selection fool-proof as far as compatibility. What changes daily are prices. That's why the part lists with specific model numbers are useless. What you're not understanding here is that I've selected those parts based on set objective criteria and lowest price. If the part list contains a Sapphire 100363VX-2SR, but 2 days later I suggest the Sapphire 100363BF4L, it's not because the first one is no longer "the best." It's because it changed price overnight. There is no mysterious level of expertise and hours and hours of dedication coming from that decision.

Same with something like RAM. Today I might suggest the G.Skill F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM. An hour from now, the G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2 might be cheaper. Tomorrow morning at 6:30am, there might be a better deal on the Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9. This knowledge comes from a simple narrowing of search options on PCPartPicker, sorted by price. All three of those kits are 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 kits, as specified in the guide. They will all perform the same at their rated settings, as will the other 50+ kits on PCPartPicker that meet those criteria.

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But am I sure that EVERY Gigabyte board is worth it? They don't make ANY clunkers? If that's true of the guide, that's ok, but I'd rather know the exact high quality part rather than sifting through every motherboard Gigabyte offers and reading reviews and trying to find the right one.


There's more than one "right one" among more than one "right brand." No matter what you choose, there will always be 100 other people who would've suggested something different. There's not much more a "guide" can do for you in terms of determining if a particular model of a particular brand is good or bad. I can say that for most components, brand quality is overblown and exaggerated, and practically irrelevant if you don't have advanced hardware knowledge. The guide tells you the general criteria of features, and you can use that to easily find, for example, a handful of motherboards that are perfectly fine. You narrow it down further by utilizing the budget chart and knowing what you ought to be spending on a particular component. Even if you're left with 25 choices, there's still no secret "this-is-the-one-you're-supposed-to-get" choice in there that only the experts know about.

Video card selection is slightly more complicated, but in my opinion, the hardest part is choosing the GPU (NVIDIA vs. AMD, GTX 760 vs R9-280, 780 vs 780 Ti, etc). Once you narrow it down which GPU you want, the guide explains the difference in all of the various AIB offerings.

But I know there are a lot of choices. I don't take issue with anyone posting a build list and asking for advice on the parts chosen, or even asking someone to help choose the right model of whatever. The issue I have is your statement that the part list at the end was the most useful part of the guide. If that's the case, I have no idea what you were expecting from the other 29,000 words.



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Freauxzen
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But I know there are a lot of choices. I don't take issue with anyone posting a build list and asking for advice on the parts chosen, or even asking someone to help choose the right model of whatever. The issue I have is your statement that the part list at the end was the most useful part of the guide. If that's the case, I have no idea what you were expecting from the other 29,000 words.


No no, don't take that wrong way. I apologize. The whole guide was extremely useful. I read it, I understood it, I have some notion of what I want (I don't think I want an AMD CPU, even with the price, but I do prefer ATI Vcards, etc.). The entire thing was useful in understanding. But whe it came down to picking parts...it was still tough. Just saying. Maybe the new format helps. I promise, I'll read again. Probably all the way through.






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I thought this thread was anchored.





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ILikeLSUToo
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I thought it was on the Gaming Board.





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bluebarracuda
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I just realized you started this thread on my bday





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I asked for it to be moved to here on the help board today...





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Remain A Virgin For Eternity: A Detailed Guide (Now w/ Cliffs!)


is how I read this title...






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ILikeLSUToo
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Well, I am married with 2 kids, but since the tech board is OT 2.0, good one!






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yay...No one guessed that they OT trash would be over here giving their shitty opinions.





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