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his point is absolutely wrong. catholics have historically been able to hear the gospel in mass, which is ideal in any community where literacy is wanting. but of course, protestants tend to idolatrize the Word so what do you expect.




I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools so I'm not just speaking from a Protestant only position but from one who has experienced it firsthand. Yes, parts of the bible were read in mass. Yes, parts of scriptures were referred to in prayers. Yes, certain passages of scripture were expounded upon. But overall, and I'm speaking historically, the bible and the study of it has not been something that the laity were encouraged to study. And if I had the time and will, I could show you direct quotes from Catholic sources that proved this.



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OldSouth
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Extremely significant shift.


Only in your mind. Pope Francis is simply echoing 2,000+ years of Catholic teaching on the subject of homosexuality. Just because they are gay does not make them less human. They are God's children, just like heterosexuals. HOWEVER, I think you would be hard-pressed getting Pope Francis to say that the practice of homosexuality is not a sin.
Very well said.






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I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools so I'm not just speaking from a Protestant only position but from one who has experienced it firsthand.

Bravo dude... you are clueless. You reject Catholicism because your parents and family were crappy Catholics and point to this experience as a reason to criticize the Church. You really don't know what you are talking about.

The Church was not founded on other crappy Catholics. The truth is in front of you to grasp but you let your small world view experience keep you blinded.

The Pope has not deviated from the Gospel on his comments about homosexuals... its a message of Faithful love to homosexuals and all sinners and its up to the those to accept or reject God's grace.






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Bravo dude... you are clueless. You reject Catholicism because your parents and family were crappy Catholics and point to this experience as a reason to criticize the Church. You really don't know what you are talking about. The Church was not founded on other crappy Catholics. The truth is in front of you to grasp but you let your small world view experience keep you blinded. The Pope has not deviated from the Gospel on his comments about homosexuals... its a message of Faithful love to homosexuals and all sinners and its up to the those to accept or reject God's grace.



And how do you know that me or my family were crappy Catholics? Is your criteria for being a crappy Catholic, leaving the church? Maybe I should have followed the example of my former priest father McCool and worked the beer stand at the church fair and got shite faced like him? Or like my former principal, sister Claire who was relieved of her duty for her sexual advancements to school girls? No bro, the RCC is what is crappy.






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No bro, the RCC is what is crappy.


If individual failings were your basis for a decision such as you have made, wouldn't Jimmy Swaggart, Gormann, Jim Baaker, ad nauseum make you also reject heretical Proetstantism?


I suspect it is more of a cultural than a theological judgment that you have made.






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If individual failings were your basis for a decision such as you have made, wouldn't Jimmy Swaggart, Gormann, Jim Baaker, ad nauseum make you also reject heretical Proetstantism?




I think the failings are more than individual failings and are attributed to institutional failings. The examples that you list are individuals that don't all belong to the same church nor do they all believe the same things.
Plus, I don't claim to be a Protestant. I've got nothing to protest. I'm just a Christian that tries to follow the tenants of the bible and I don't need an organized church to accomplish that.



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.the practice of homosexual sex is a mortal sin
No it isn't. This is made up.






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wouldn't Jimmy Swaggart, Gormann, Jim Baaker, ad nauseum make you also reject heretical Proetstantism?


Here's the difference. I do not need any of these men to forgive me of my sins. I do not need to confess my sins to any of these men. My Bible tells me that on the day Jesus was crucified, the VEIL that separated man from God, was torn from top to bottom and therefore giving all men access to the Throne of Grace.






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The real difference is that non catholics to not make appeals to authority in relation to those preachers, while catholics have very little in the way of biblical arguments that is not a direct appeal to authority of a fallen bureaucracy.





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The veil was lifted , but as J.C. told the woman caught in adultery , go and sin no more , so as you see, any person must turn from their sins , in order to be forgiven , some of you , no most don't understand this principle of God.

You can't stay in your sins and be a child of the most high God , you can't serve 2 masters.

There are lots of Godly catholics and lots of ungodly protestants , the issue here is the front office so to speak and an ungodly coalition that have been reported to have much power in Vatican city.

The last pope stated that God told him to step down, something not done in 600 years.

What I see , is what I expected to see sooner rather than later.

God once destroyed the people on earth because of their vulgarity and darkened evil ways , only Noah and company was saved.

The false prophet must needs usher in the anti christ.

So , we have wickedness as in the time of Noah upon us ( one clues given of the end times ) we have a globalization effort and the abilty to have a single currency ( computers make this possible ) , all we need is a worldwide financial collapse ( look around.)

When you see Israel make a peace agreement , then be afraid because God's judgement is near.


God gave us 6 days of work then a day of rest.

God gave us 6000 years in which Satan was allowed to rule this earth , but then J.C. will rule this earth for a thousand years ( sabbath reign ) and the difference in the periods of reign will no doubt be observed forever.One fiiled with wickedness, murder , rape , homosexuality , drugs , wars , hate , selfishness etc. etc. , and the other rein filled with none of the above , faithful husbands & wives , peace, no wars , love, humbleness , beautiful music not vulgar music etc. etc.

Remember , the anti christ has to have a false prophet , knowing Satan , he will choose a F.P. that gives him the most sway with people , he is very intelligent.

You people who doubt , will see the truth shortly , carry on.






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You people who doubt , will see the truth shortly , carry on.

I'm shaking in my boots over here. For a couple thousand years people have said the rapture would happen within their lifetime because of all the signs predicted in scripture. I also find it hilarious that a bunch of Christians are in disagreement on interpretation of sin and who should be judged the most It seems rather counterintuitive to the belief that we are all sinners and require forgiveness.

ETA: I like the new pope



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OK

No true led by the spirit follower of J.C. has ever thought J.C. return would come before the Israelis returned to their homeland, but you are probably just an evil lover, so how would you know anything ?








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