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oklahogjr
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yes they are...but in order to secure the nomination they had to pander to the tea baggers...even before they were formed and co-opted by the Koch brothers...and the American people, in numbers large enough to make a difference, turned to Obama.....McCain not so much but there is no way that Obama gets re-elected IF it had not been for the tea baggers. Hell for several months during the primary season we saw one nut case after another, people who would have never been considered viable candidates, become front runners in the GOP because they were willing to say all sorts of crazy shite to attract the worst elements of the right. The one thing the Tea Party has done for certain is assured the re-election of Barrack Obama.....and unless something happens the election of Hillary Clinton to the whitehouse....now that is something that a conservative ought to be proud of.....

The problem here is that the tea part movement isn't a centralized movement. Some of it is the koch controlled bull shite you are talking about, but other parts of it are actually grass roots people who just want small government and are very libertarian.






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but there is no way that Obama gets re-elected IF it had not been for the tea baggers.



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Hell for several months during the primary season we saw one nut case after another, people who would have never been considered viable candidates, become front runners in the GOP because they were willing to say all sorts of crazy shite to attract the worst elements of the right.

that is no different than any other election season. the super religious groups that santorum and bachmann were pandering to are not the same groups that are pushing for fiscal responsibility. the christian whackos jacked the name "tea party" and you're falling for the ruse while you describe 2 different groups with 1 name







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It still amazes me that people call McCain and Romney "far right wing".





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if they were a coherent movement i'd agree but the reality is some tea party factions are not good for the country while others are actual tea party small government groups.


What factions are that?

The tea party, as i see it, is for small government, cutting spending, and pro private business. Then there is the tea party that the media has likened to the occupy dipshits, and they call them racist with no proof of the group standing for anything racist, other than the fact they disagree with the president.

GERMANDOG, explain to me how you can look at yourself in the mirror, and vote for the a-holes who not once, but 3 times have come to the public and said, "if you don't raise the debt ceiling, it's the Republicans fault?"

Last year, the dems said that the world would burn if the debt ceiling wasn't raised. So it was raised, and one year later they want it raised again. No spending has been cut. You are enabling a drug addict. Instead of saying, "no more heroine, you need to seek help", you are saying, "ok, i'll buy your drugs for you this time, but if you do it again....well i'll still buy em for you then too."

Cut the fricking spending. And then, and only then, come to the public about needing to raise the debt ceiling.

Hell, if you cut the insane spending enough, there would be no need to extend the debt ceiling, and maybe our credit rating would stay in tact, instead of being downgraded again, under Obama.






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The ONLY reason that the Republicans hold the House...is the Tea Party, gd. The RHINOS are loathed by true Conservatives. Damn right they have "destroyed" that wing of the Party; it's what they were elected to do. It's showtime up there; time to risk 'lives, property and sacred honor' to shut down what is MOB-RULE (Democracy) tyranny.

If there is a default and shutdown, it'll be because HARRY REID and OBAMA IGNORE the Bill that funds the government and services the debt, in order to beat the dead horse of their precious ACA which is WREAKING HAVOC on the economy and the American people are beginning to hate. It'll get so bad before Obama leaves...there will be no rock for them to hide under, or no way for the lapdog media to justify/spin economic disaster.

Nice try.







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germandawg
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But you're right, fiscal responsibility is for the "crazies".



Fiscal responsibility does not mean that you buy shite and refuse to pay for it.....Fiscal responsibility is paying your bills and not buying shite you can't afford....like I have said cut spending....eliminate it completely if you have the political capital to do so....but cutting spending has nothing to do with the debt ceiling issue.....if the ceiling is not eliminated or at least raised you and and I guilty of not paying our bills.....I for one don't like the thought of being a deadbeat.....






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BugAC
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because they were willing to say all sorts of crazy shite to attract the worst elements of the right


Yeah, that Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio are true crazies.

Again, the fact that you voted for Obama fricking twice, and you are trying to council the right on how to conduct itself is pretty laughable.

You are the reason this country is in shite shape. You are the cause for the economy, obamacare, and our crumbling foreign policy. You and your ilk that vote "stupid" at the ballot box for your master Obama. Be a good slave and just own up to it.






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yes they are...but in order to secure the nomination they had to pander to the tea baggers...even before they were formed and co-opted by the Koch brothers...and the American people, in numbers large enough to make a difference, turned to Obama.....McCain not so much but there is no way that Obama gets re-elected IF it had not been for the tea baggers. Hell for several months during the primary season we saw one nut case after another, people who would have never been considered viable candidates, become front runners in the GOP because they were willing to say all sorts of crazy shite to attract the worst elements of the right. The one thing the Tea Party has done for certain is assured the re-election of Barrack Obama.....and unless something happens the election of Hillary Clinton to the whitehouse....now that is something that a conservative ought to be proud of.....


Yarrgh blaarrgh! Romney was a moderate, McCain was a moderate, Bush was a moderate. Parties lose elections, stop listening to every dumb arse line the media hands you and stop the panic.

GOP will dominate in 2014 and it will be close in 2016. What we need more than anything is a good presidential candidate. Romney was the best of an awful crowd.






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.if the ceiling is not eliminated or at least raised you and and I guilty of not paying our bills


guilty? Screw that, I paid my taxes.






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but cutting spending has nothing to do with the debt ceiling issue.


Really? So spending so much, and getting in debt because of this spending, has nothing to do with the need to raise the debt ceiling? Say that out loud.

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.if the ceiling is not eliminated or at least raised you and and I guilty of not paying our bills.....I for one don't like the thought of being a deadbeat.....


Well i wouldn't be putting myself in the place of being in danger of not paying my bills, if i would just not spend money like a 2 dollar whore.






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oklahogjr
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The tea party, as i see it, is for small government, cutting spending, and pro private business. Then there is the tea party that the media has likened to the occupy dipshits, and they call them racist with no proof of the group standing for anything racist, other than the fact they disagree with the president.


The tea party sarah palin and michelle bachmann were appealing to is not healthy for the country. The guys that just want spending cut and taxes reduced are good for the country.






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germandawg
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that seems like a huge red flag of a terrible symptom

saying/thinking something like this should make you go, " shite...is this real life?" and realize the system has to change dramatically


It is a symptom of a system that is not working....but simply refusing to pay for shite you have received to correct that system is akin to cutting your head off so you will quit smoking and not die of lung cancer....

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lesson learned: don't trust the government

hopefully they learn this and the government, after it contracts, has trouble expanding itself next time



So you are saying don't trust you and I?? Because we are the Government my friend.....you and I and the rest of the nation got us to this point....it hasn't been done to us, we are not victims, we are accomplices. If the US Government defaults on its obligations then you and I are deadbeats.....its as simple as that. I am sure that everyone who has a car repoossessed at some point thinks it is the auto dealers fault....but it lies with the person who didn't do what they agreed to do...and in this case that is you and I






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The tea party sarah palin and michelle bachmann were appealing to is not healthy for the country. The guys that just want spending cut and taxes reduced are good for the country.


Listen, i don't like Bachmann nor Palin either. Palin i don't like, because she became, basically, a tv personality. That is not what i want for the country. Bachmann is a little crazy. But, their fiscal ideals were sound, despite what you think about them personally.

Hell, i'm still trying to figure out why people loathed Palin so much, other than the fact that she was an attractive woman who ran against the regime. The left trashed her for that, and yet the right has a "war against women".






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.but simply refusing to pay for shite you have received to correct that system is akin to cutting your head off so you will quit smoking and not die of lung cancer....

we can always cut other government spending that doesn't affect (1) agency contracts and (2) debt repayments

i'm not for "refusing to pay for shit", but since we can't do that without cutting elsewhere, then we need to cut elsewhere

it's a simple solution that is basically being ignored by the left right now

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So you are saying don't trust you and I?? Because we are the Government my friend..

we did not have a hand in creating, appointing, or influencing policy of the bureaucracy my friend

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If the US Government defaults on its obligations then you and I are deadbeats.

no. i pay my debts

when i have to cut things out to pay my debts, i do.

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.but it lies with the person who didn't do what they agreed to do...and in this case that is you and I

let's say i am somehow magically and retroactively placed as the god of American government. i'm 30 years old and i've only possibly been in power for 12 years. how am i responsible for all of the policy, spending, and debt accumulated prior to that?






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germandawg
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if we cut our spending, we will be able to pay for the debt ceiling

i'm not pro-default. i'm pro-cut


Spending and the Debt ceiling are two separate issues. Cut spending...eliminate it altogether if you have the political capital to do so....but future spending has nothing at all to do with the current debt.....that horse has left the barn....those goods and services have been received....the meal is over and the waiter is waiting for the credit card....yes, spending cuts in the future will eliminate this problem but we can't go back and unspend....it isn't possible....we have racked up the debt and it must be paid or we are in default...and the ramifications of that are very serious indeed. Tying future spending to current debt is a simple admission that there is a lack of understanding of the two issues. I don't know how we are still able to get credit to be honest...I guess we are the still the prettiest pony in the show but good god can you imagine a banker still lending you money if you went to him and said you were no longer gonna pay your bills so you could cut spending?????






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the next stop to the right of the Chamber of Commerce was an insane asylum....that stop is now a GOP Seat in the House of Representatives.


The Dems went into ballot boxes and pulled the lever for Barrack Hussein Obama -- the most far, far, far, far leftist politician to ever come down the political pike. If Joseph Stalin were alive, I'm sure his only comment would be "DAMN!"

And, you want to talk about people belonging in an insane asylum? I just can't imagine any non-brainwashed, Kool-Aid drinking person with an IQ above 10 looking at Obama (and his being unqualified, inept, and just plain stupid) and thinking, "Yeah, he'd be a good President."

Seriously, when the only reasons you could possibly pull the lever for your candidate is because he's half-black and has a "D" behind his name, you really shouldn't throw stones or talk about insanity.






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oklahogjr
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ell, i'm still trying to figure out why people loathed Palin so much, other than the fact that she was an attractive woman who ran against the regime. The left trashed her for that, and yet the right has a "war against women".


I still don't think she's all that bright. Seems to me like the GOP just wanted to put up a woman to try and combat the Dems putting up a black guy. Also she was a pretty hardcore neocon from what I can remember when it all came down to what she really supported.

ETA that may read weird. She had tea part support but so did mccain at one point. seems to me like they were both neocons in tea party clothing.



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but it lies with the person who didn't do what they agreed to do...and in this case that is you and I



there are several million people who's money was spent against their will, so you can't say they ever agreed.

I have looked and looked but I have never found the "social contract" that I supposedly signed, nor can I recall signing one.






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Do you seriously think Barrack Obama would have been reelected...let alone elected the first time around, if the wing of the GOP that is the tea party now hadn't already pushed the party so far to the right that a significant number of Americans could not in good conscience vote for McCain or Romney


Are you kidding me?

How was Mc Cain going to beat Obama? Hillary couldn't do it in the political climate of 2008 so how was Mc Cain suppose to do that?

The country was tilting away from the Republicans because of the fiancnial collapse, the subsequent recession and the toll Iraq and Afghanistan had taken. The situation was ripe for the dems who if you remember won not just the president, but both houses of Congress too with a super majority in the Senate.

Now quit the crap about Republicans costing Republicans. There was no way a Republican was going to win in 2008.

Now in 2012 there may be an argument there, Obama was proving to be a terrible president. After the first debate he was vulnerable. What happened after that can be discussed ad nausea, and I think more than one factor hurt Romney and one of the big problems was a poor conservative turnout.






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ut simply refusing to pay for shite you have received to correct that system is akin to cutting your head off so you will quit smoking and not die of lung cancer..


Why do you , and every liberal ignore the cause?
What necessitates debt? Borrowing.
Why do you borrow? Because you can't pay for what you want to buy.
Why can't you pay for things? Because you spend too much as it is.

The root cause of this whole debt issue is out of control spending. Credit that to Obama. What's our current debt level? What was it before he came into office? What's our current spending levels?

It's so simplistic you should be ashamed you have to have it explained to you.






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