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Where is the IRS flag policy for "Pro-Obama" rhetoric?



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Where is the IRS flag policy for "Pro-Obama" rhetoric?
The prosecution rests its case.






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oklahogjr
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we all know Obama was behind this.


I don't. I don't trust information from either side on this. The republicans have made it clear they will release only partial statements in this investigation if it suits their needs. The democrats would just be happy for it all to go away.

You can't sit there and sound like a crazy radical all the time and expect me to trust your opinion on something where you clearly have a vested interest in watching the other side fail. That's the republicans problem, they've lost all credibility with the people. The democrats should have lost all credibility but run a much better PR campaign for the masses.









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Godfather1
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Groups seeking this kind of tax-exempt status cannot be primarily involved in politics. Anti-any politician rhetoric is evidence of politics involvement.


MoveOn.org says hello.






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I don't. I don't trust information from either side on this. The republicans have made it clear they will release only partial statements in this investigation if it suits their needs. The democrats would just be happy for it all to go away.

You can't sit there and sound like a crazy radical all the time and expect me to trust your opinion on something where you clearly have a vested interest in watching the other side fail. That's the republicans problem, they've lost all credibility with the people. The democrats should have lost all credibility but run a much better PR campaign for the masses.


Aaaallll of this.






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CptBengal
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You can't sit there and sound like a crazy radical all the time and expect me to trust your opinion


it isnt an opinion, the order came down from an Obama appointee who worked in the WH.

Jesus man.






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Crimson1st
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Ok, let me make a football anology to this. The other day when Alabama got flagged for targeting the aTm receiver then it was overturned on the review, Alabama STILL had the 15 yard penalty. As an Alabama fan and a college football fan, I thought the rule was fricked up BUT it was the rule thus aTm gets their rightful 15 yards. Had the refs stepped in and arbitrarily decided to just let the play stand with no penalty at all, that would have not been right. The way to fix that is to fix the rule in the proper manner if it's a bad rule.

So now we have this IRS issue. If we agree the rule is bad to let these political groups use an out with the 501c4 status, then let the rule get fixed in due process and amended. The KEY issue is that these IRS people, just like the refs in the football analogy, can't just arbitrarily come in and asses penalties where they see fit. They are bound by the rules and laws. They LEGALLY can't just block some groups and allow others just because they don't like the message or have subversive rogue orders from "the top" to target a group based on their message. Now don't get me wrong, they have the POWER to do it but not the authority. We don't operate that way in this country however. We are a nation of laws and if an entity can't abide by those laws they need to be dealt with.






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SpidermanTUba
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oklahogjr
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LINK


the headline follow by the page not found was quite comical to me actually.






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dewster
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Groups seeking this kind of tax-exempt status cannot be primarily involved in politics. Anti-any politician rhetoric is evidence of politics involvement.




MoveOn.org says hello.


As does MediaMatters, Americans United for Change, Ruckus Society, New World Foundation, Voto Latino....all political in nature.



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SpidermanTUba
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MoveOn.org says hello.



Issue advocacy doesn't count as politics for the 501c4 part of the tax code. Right wingers should be well aware of this.






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moneyg
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Ok, let me make a football anology to this. The other day when Alabama got flagged for targeting the aTm receiver then it was overturned on the review, Alabama STILL had the 15 yard penalty. As an Alabama fan and a college football fan, I thought the rule was fricked up BUT it was the rule thus aTm gets their rightful 15 yards. Had the refs stepped in and arbitrarily decided to just let the play stand with no penalty at all, that would have not been right. The way to fix that is to fix the rule in the proper manner if it's a bad rule.

So now we have this IRS issue. If we agree the rule is bad to let these political groups use an out with the 501c4 status, then let the rule get fixed in due process and amended. The KEY issue is that these IRS people, just like the refs in the football analogy, can't just arbitrarily come in and asses penalties where they see fit. They are bound by the rules and laws. They LEGALLY can't just block some groups and allow others just because they don't like the message or have subversive rogue orders from "the top" to target a group based on their message. Now don't get me wrong, they have the POWER to do it but not the authority. We don't operate that way in this country however. We are a nation of laws and if an entity can't abide by those laws they need to be dealt with.



Your analogy is poor because the football example is indicative of the referees trying to "right" a bad law.

In the IRS case, it's pretty clear that this isn't simply a case of the IRS trying to create their own laws...this is a case of the IRS implementing their own laws for the express purpose of furthering a political viewpoint.

Your analogy would be perfect if the referees would have continuously chosen not to fix the problem for A&M, but then decided to "fix" the problem for Alabama...because they are Alabama fans.

That would be an appropriate parallel.







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The fact that Emerge was initially approved for tax exempt status, but had it revoked after its improper behavior came to light, underscores how much more stringent the IRS was with Tea Party applicants.






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Godfather1
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Issue advocacy doesn't count as politics for the 501c4 part of the tax code. Right wingers should be well aware of this.



And I'm sure MoveOn.org never uttered one critical word about George W. Bush, right?






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SpidermanTUba
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The fact that Emerge was initially approved for tax exempt status, but had it revoked after its improper behavior came to light, underscores how much more stringent the IRS was with Tea Party applicants.


No it doesn't.






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SpidermanTUba
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And I'm sure MoveOn.org never uttered one critical word about George W. Bush, right?


You're asking me what you are sure of?






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Turbeauxdog
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Issue advocacy doesn't count as politics for the 501c4 part of the tax code. Right wingers should be well aware of this


What's your point?






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SpidermanTUba
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What's your point?



Read the English words comprising my statement to determine that.






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CptBengal
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Issue advocacy doesn't count as politics for the 501c4 part of the tax code.


No, it doesn't...and lower taxes and limited government (aka federalism) is advocacy.

what's your point?






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Godfather1
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Anti-any politician rhetoric is evidence of politics involvement.


MoveOn.org has been quite critical of George W. Bush throughout the years, yet has retained it's 501c4 status.







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