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The FDA inspects imported fish.


For salmonella.

They do not inspect for the illegal chemicals that the USDA deemed illegal, and inspects our fish for.

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Nobody should believe this push to move frozen catfish inspection which the FDA does to the USDA is anything other than an attempt to raise the cost of catfish to consumer


If there is nothing wrong with the imported fish, then it wouldn't raise costs of it at all. If they are cheating and using chemicals banned in food here in the US, then yes it would raise their costs. We know they are using the chemicals, yet the FDA ignores it. Why should we be held to higher standards than them? If there is truly a health risk, then hold both to the same inspection standards by the USDA.

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You can google and find that the FDA has issued recalls on imported catfish and other fish several times.


Sure they have, and that is only for salmonella. And they only inspect 2-4% of the imports. Imagine how much contaminated fish gets through...


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Ok he is willing but I bet he it the only special interest catfish farmer willing too.


I know for a fact this isn't true.






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deltaland
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What about molinate contamination in Mississippi catfish?? What happened there?


2 ponds on the MSU research station farm back in 1992?


Plus if a fish is "off flavor" for whatever reason, the processor won't accept them. Therefore, they would never reach market.







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deltaland
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What is this "L. monocytogenes contamination" in US processing plants??


I remember that, wasn't a big deal but a couple smaller, less technologically advanced plants had it. The problem was fixed through better sanitation measures.

If you think this doesn't happen from time to time in every food processing industry, then you're ignorant. That is why we have stringent inspections by the USDA..to catch and fix new problems that arise.

The imported fish are not subject to any such inspection, so contamination runs rampant through their fish product.






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I B Freeman
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Will you young Mr. Delta state here tonight that the catfish industry does not lobby to screw consumers with tariffs, burdens on competition and subsidies????

Will you Mr. Delta acknowledge that US catfish farmers have a near monopoly on fresh catfish and in fact receive prices dollars per pound higher than the imported frozen fish?

Here is an article from 2010 that describes how crazy the lobbying has been on this issue. LINK Catfish farmers have even gotten a law passed that won't let the Asians call their fish "catfish" and have actually shopped markets in getting protective tariffs in place moving the calculation from one country's cost to another to best benefit the US industry.

They may have more sympathy on this inspection issue if they had not been so active in seeking special treatment over the years.






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I B Freeman
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The imported fish are not subject to any such inspection, so contamination runs rampant through their fish product.



That is complete BS. Why do you make statements like that?

You know the FDA inspects them.

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I B Freeman
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If you think this doesn't happen from time to time in every food processing industry, then you're ignorant


No I know it happens. I simply do not use such isolated incidents to disparage an entire industry as you do.

It is very much suspect in my mind that such an active special interest as catfish farmers suddenly point to a formaldehyde story that has not even been verified by the FDA to attempt to discredit their competitor.






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Formaldehyde is the least of my concerns with this issue.
I read water quality reports on the water these fish are raised in. Saying they are raised in sewage would be an understatement.






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deltaland
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Will you young Mr. Delta state here tonight that the catfish industry does not lobby to screw consumers with tariffs, burdens on competition and subsidies????


I can't speak for the entire industry. I know some people do lobby for the tariffs and subsidies. Personally I don't lobby for those. Show me one industry in this country that doesn't have some people lobbying for such things...there's always gonna be some. I know in our industry, it isn't the intent to screw the consumer. It's them trying to remain in business and keep people's jobs.

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Will you Mr. Delta acknowledge that US catfish farmers have a near monopoly on fresh catfish


Not true. Imports have 75% of the market. We have 25%. In 2008, those roles were reversed.

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in fact receive prices dollars per pound higher than the imported frozen fish?


Thanks to high overhead costs from feed prices. The high price is necessary to remain in business.. it isn't like we jacked up the prices and have some huge profit margin. If that were the case, then that would mean demand would have been high enough to justify it and we wouldn't have lost 60% of the industry like we did.






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I B Freeman
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Formaldehyde is the least of my concerns with this issue.
I read water quality reports on the water these fish are raised in. Saying they are raised in sewage would be an understatement.


Read this

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From 1999 to 2000, U.S. imports of Vietnamese catfish fillets more than tripled, from 900 to 3,200

metric tons. Although still a drop in the bucket compared to U.S. catfish production, which reached a record of almost 290,000 metric tons in 2000, the domestic catfish industry was not about to be caught napping by the Vietnamese.

The first thing the U.S. industry did was to go and see for itself what was going on. Last November, a group of U.S. catfish farmers and processors traveled to Vietnam on a fact-finding mission.

“We thought we’d find them growing fish in polluted water

and processing them in crude plants,” says one processor who went on the trip. “But that’s not what we found. We came back scared to death.”








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deltaland
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You know the FDA inspects them.


Article from 2007. Under the Bush administration who actually did it right in regards to these import inspections. 2008 under the new Obama administration imports skyrocketed, and have continued to do so. 2008 was the year the domestic industry took a huge hit, as regulations went lax on the imports because the new administration opened the flood gates.

The health threat is still there, they just started ignoring it. The chicken from China is now showing the same health problems, and the domestic chicken industry is demanding the same thing the catfish industry is to keep it from happening to them.






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I B Freeman
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Not true. Imports have 75% of the market. We have 25%. In 2008, those roles were reversed.


Ok Mr. Expert you are now saying that 75% of the fresh catfish sold in the US is imported. How do they get it here fresh???






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I B Freeman
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Thanks to high overhead costs from feed prices. The high price is necessary to remain in business.. it isn't like we jacked up the prices and have some huge profit margin. If that were the case, then that would mean demand would have been high enough to justify it and we wouldn't have lost 60% of the industry like we did.



Nobody cares about your cost of feed when they buy catfish. You get a higher price because you own the fresh market, the whole market and the nugget market. You are domestic catfish and do have a following.

Quit this silly whining and twisting of facts.






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I B Freeman
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Personally I don't lobby for those.


Have you ever contributed to or are you a member of Catfish Farmers of America?

On the front page of the CFA website one state goal is

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To become aware of all sources of federal and state monies that may be used to the benefit of the U.S. Farm-Raised Catfish industry





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deltaland
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I was talking about the entire catfish market.

Fresh fish sales are such a small portion of our sales that it is largely insignificant when looking at the whole picture. It is only about 1/10th of sales..the rest are frozen filets.







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My step dads bro, or step uncle spent time on the Mekong River and said although there are a few dirty areas most of it is cleaner than the majority of U.S rivers. I'm more of a fan of blues anyhow when it comes to eating catfish.

Which leads me to ask, is channel the only ones that can be sold? I've never seen blues or ops sold commercially.






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deltaland
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are you a member of Catfish Farmers of America?


actually no.

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Have you ever contributed to


15 dollars for a catfish tag on my truck. That's about it











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Maryland is ridiculously expensive, mostly due to very high taxes imposed by our never-seen-a-tax-he-didn't-like governor O'Malley.


Question 1: The governor of Maryland has the ability to "impose" taxes? Via which mechanism?

Question 2: how much more expensive is catfish in Maryland than [insert state] and exactly what % of that is due to taxes?






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I B Freeman
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Will you Mr. Delta acknowledge that US catfish farmers have a near monopoly on fresh catfish


Not true. Imports have 75% of the market. We have 25%. In 2008, those roles were reversed.







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deltaland
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You get a higher price because you own the fresh market, the whole market and the nugget market.


Stay on point here. The frozen filet market is 90% of our sales..that is what we're fighting for here. The rest that we "own the market" of isn't enough to keep the industry afloat. About 5,000 acres and a small processing plant could supply that market, which isn't enough to keep the infrastructure thats needed to operate a farm in business. (i.e feed mills and aeration manufacturers).

We are steady losing sales of frozen fish due to necessary high pricing..if we price lower we don't make money even though we could sell tons of fish. Feed prices are the reason for this.

You are so focused on one little portion due to your narrow minded ideology that you can't see the big picture here. What do you do about the thousands of jobs lost? Have you ever been to the delta or black belt region? There is nothing else available for those people to go to if they lose their job on the farm or fish plant or feed mill. They'll just simply go on welfare if they lose their job. They don't have the means to move elsewhere. Entire towns here are dependent on the revenues generated from the catfish industry






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deltaland
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Which leads me to ask, is channel the only ones that can be sold? I've never seen blues or ops sold commercially.



Actually we now have a hybrid between a blue and channel catfish that is sold commercially (although not specified, they just get mixed together at the plant, it tastes the same). It was done only for disease resistance and feed conversion reasons. The hybrids grow faster and eat more aggressively.






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