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jcole4lsu
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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wow, you really believe this spin?

Rex is really intelligent, I just dont see how he can convince himself of these arguments sometimes. He has to know it just spin, but doesnt want to look at the alternative.






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LSUMJ
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


to sum up rex's belief
we had to elect Obama to improve our image abroad
but since they dont like him, they obviously are ill informed






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Rex
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


Believe it or not, I talk to Englishmen and Australians and Canadians, etc., constantly. None of them would "acknowledge" that Romney would have handled something better when they don't know it to be the case.





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NC_Tigah
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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How were we harmed by posturing Russia into pressuring one of its allies to give up its weapons?
Let's bookmark your rhetorical presumption, and return to it in 30, 60, and 90 days.
We can reassess any truth to "Russia pressuring one of its allies to give up its weapons"






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Rex
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Let's bookmark your rhetorical presumption, and return to it in 30, 60, and 90 days.

And in Obama's speech on Tuesday he reserved for himself the right to use force if Syria doesn't comply with Russia's brokered agreement.

Isn't it funny how so many on this board were condemning Obama for bombing, even when he hadn't already done so, but are now flipping their wail to something entirely opposite, that his failure to do so harms America by projecting weakness?

I'm smart enough to know what all this contradictory and incoherent condemnation is all about: anger at having to help pay for healthcare for poor people. Sore loserism, even to the point of applauding murderous ex-KGB snakes over our democratically-elected president.







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dinosaur
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


Obviously is a term that depends on the viewpoint of the person using it. I would contend that as poorly as our President has performed, it may be reasonable to say that someone else could have done better.

Otherwise, what are you going to say if we discover a year or so from now that Syria didn't really give up anything, but just said it had or would? Can you really believe it just because the Russians said it happened? Or is this just a way to get out of a jam and give Obama an excuse for retreating from a set of bad choices?






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doubleb
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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AS IF an Englishman is sufficiently familiar with Mitt Romney to "acknowledge" that he would have handled something better. Your post, like most of your others, is a crock.


Obama did such a crappy job with Syria, that anybody could do better. It would be hard to do worse.

No one knows what Romney may have done, and its pointless to discuss "what ifs" like this, but we do know how Obama has let the Syrian situation get out of control and how Putin has made him the war monger, and the US the bad guy here.

Obama was supposed to get the world back on our side, instead we have to almost go it alone here because Obama doesn't think ahead nor does he show the leadership required to build a consensus.

BTW, this lack of the ability to build a consensus has not only hurt him overseas, but it has hurt him here in the US where he gets little done.

Sure he can blame the Republicans and win elections that way; however, he doesn't help the population by doing this.

For an example of a leader who could get things done despite not having a majority in Congress look at William Jefferson Clinton who put aside personal BS and worked to get things done.






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CptBengal
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Obama for bombing, even when he hadn't already done so, but are now flipping their wail to something entirely opposite, that his failure to do so harms America by projecting weakness?


that sound was the point going over your head....


Obama looks pathetically weak because he just got manhandled by putin on the international stage.

MANHANDLED.






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Jbird
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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I'd say. How were we harmed by posturing Russia into pressuring one of its allies to give up its weapons?


Hahahaha what a dumbass.






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Poodlebrain
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AS IF an Englishman is sufficiently familiar with Mitt Romney to "acknowledge" that he would have handled something better.
I'd be willing to bet that the average Englishman is as well informed about Mitt Romney as the average New Orleans voter. And I am certain that the average Englishman has a much better perception of Barack Obama than the average New Orleans voter. But more to the point, the OP was about a single Englishman, and you have no evidence to base your claim that he is uninformed. For all you know the Englishman in question could be a journalist who covered the 2012 Presidential election for the BBC. Why did your response not address the specific case rather than the general? And your response does nothing to counter his opinion about Romney would have handled this matter better than Obama. It was simply an ad hominem attack on him as an Englishman.






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LSURussian
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How were we harmed by posturing Russia into pressuring one of its allies to give up its weapons?


Wanna' self ban bet on whether Assad verifiably surrenders all of his chemical weapons to the UN? I'm game.






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MMauler
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And in Obama's speech on Tuesday he reserved for himself the right to use force if Syria doesn't comply with Russia's brokered agreement.


Rex HAS TO BE a far right conservative who just comes here to show us all how truly demented the liberal mind is.

I mean, there is no way anyone on this planet could be nearly as ignorant and totally naive as Rex pretends to be on this board.






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CptBengal
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whether Assad verifiably surrenders all of his chemical weapons to the UN?


the fact anyone thinks this will happen ,when the DoD already knows he is moving them to new, undisclosed locations...is assanine.






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CITWTT
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You might want to spend some time reading a few British newspapers on a daily basis tool, they keep up with the US and its politicians better than our media does(that is true of all of Europe in fact).





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SpidermanTUba
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He also said that he feels embarrassed for the US that our nation has been humiliated by Russia, of all nations, on the international stage due to the ineptness of our leadership.



I guess if that's what we have to do to get the world to care about chemical weapons use in Syria, so be it, because the world would have done nothing if the U.S. had done nothing. Not it appears the world is committing to a non-violent diplomatic solution. Oh no! What a failure!



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skinny domino
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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AS IF an Englishman is sufficiently familiar with Mitt Romney to "acknowledge" that he would have handled something better. Your post, like most of your others, is a crock.






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doubleb
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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And in Obama's speech on Tuesday he reserved for himself the right to use force if Syria doesn't comply with Russia's brokered agreement


Exactly what did Obama say he'd do?

Wait to react depending on what Syria did, right?

But didn't we hear that Asad needed to be punished for using nerve gas? If we wait to see what Syria does, how is Assad getting punished and if taking away his chem weapons is punishment enough then why didn't we demand that ourselves?

It seems Putin is controlling things here and we are dancing to their tune. We have few allies and even the Rebels hate our guts.

Please tell me what is our strategy here because it is apparent to me that we have none.

Maybe Obama draw another red line this time, and we can declare victory and go away. We have few real options here.







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Godfather1
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AS IF


You sound like such a fairy when you say this.

And you say it a lot.






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LSURussian
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committing to a non-violent diplomatic solution.
What will the 'solution' be in your version?






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Taxing Authority
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re: Interesting Conversation With A Friend In England


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AS IF an Englishman is sufficiently familiar with Mitt Romney to "acknowledge" that he would have handled something better
thats an odd statement coming from a guy that often tells how great socialized medicine is in those foreign lands.

Wouldn't the same presumption of ignorance apply to yourself? Oh wait. No intellectual honesty. Nevermind.






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