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Qwerty
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Bull shite. Are you going to sit there and tell me with a straight face that a bunch of academics don't have the backing




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of their own personal empire manned by thousands and thousands of potential laborers given decades upon decades to complete perhaps the greatest engineering feat of the ancient world? You really expect anyone here to believe that? Get the hell outta here ya damn archaeopologist!








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DawgfaninCa
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Why would aliens, who had the technology to fly lightyears to get here for what are supposed to be clandestine activities, show up in ships that are lit up like Christmas trees at night?


Why do you assume these "aliens" didn't arrive here millions of years before humans even "evolved" from apes?

Why do you assume these "aliens" came from outer space using methods that required light years for them to arrive here?

Why do you assume these "aliens" even came from outer space and are not inter-dimensional?

Why do you assume these "aliens" are not a higher form of intelligent beings who have always been on this planet for millions of years and not from outer space or inter-dimensional?

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If they are visiting, why are they taking so long to either take over or discover the "mysteries" of humans? We've been able to map our own genome, what's taking them so long?


Why do you assume these "aliens" are visiting this planet and are not some form of higher intelligent beings that are from this planet but have always been from here and have been evolving for millions of years longer than humans have been evolving?

Why do you assume these "aliens" don't already know the "mysteries" of humans?

Why do you continue to think inside of the box that the government wants you to think in?







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DawgfaninCa
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There's an enormous difference between a few archaeologists and other academics thinking about these projects for a few years at a time, and entire cultures focused on these projects for many many years. Of course modern efforts aren't going to be on par with them.


But according to scientists, ancient human beings were less intelligent than the highly evolved modern humans.

Surely our brilliant scientists can explain how the Great Pyramid was built by these primitive humans using only the primitive tools and technology which scientists say existed at that time.








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DawgfaninCa
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I make jewelry and sell it on the sidewalks of San Francisco.


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Right off the fricking bat, I have to say that I'm more astonished by this little factoid than I would be if a little green alien came up to me and asked for a light.



Why are you more astonished by the fact that I have been designing and making my own line of jewelry and selling it on the sidewalks of San Francisco than you would be if a little green alien came up to you and asked for a light?








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The Calvin
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I agree. The world is going to hell in a hand basket, but........Aliens!!



This might be the dumbest comment outside of the OP






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Qwerty
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But according to scientists, ancient human beings were less intelligent than the highly evolved modern humans.


Link? We are talking not that long ago, around 2500 bc.






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FYI, you are arguing with a dude that thinks SPACE BEINGS are flying around and checking us (earthlings) out.

Remember that







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A person that I knew very well when I was younger (being deliberately vague) was in some high echelon of Air Force Intelligence (not being deliberately vague). Very well-educated and honest person.

When I asked if he could tell me anything about "any kind of crazy alien stuff" at a Christmas party, he looked at me very flatly and said "you know I can't, but I can say that if I did tell you, it would completely warp your view of reality for the rest of your life." I then






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DawgfaninCa
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Please tell me the most classified aircraft in not only the United States, but the rest of the world as well. Because you must know such things before spouting off that drivel.



So you are going to claim that what my brother and I saw 30 years ago was a classified aircraft that some government flew over the city of San Francisco at 2 PM on a clear day.

Yet 30 years later, that government hasn't used that classified aircraft to gain air superiority in the world and show all the other governments that they better not even try to mess with their people.

And that's not even talking about that government's ability to implant thoughts in people's minds to try to make people do what that government wants them to do.

Your Occam's Razor is so dull it can't cut through a stick of butter.

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For one thing, it's not a challenge of their intelligence. It's a challenge to their knowledge pertaining to the "field," their expertise as it were.


First, you want to say it's a challenge to their knowledge pertaining to the "field".

Those eyewitnesses (my brother and me included) may not know anything about classified aircraft that some government may be developing and testing but those eyewitnesses (my brother and me included) know that no government would test a classified aircraft where it would be seen by the public.

In my brother's and my sighting, it was in broad daylight on a clear day right over the city of San Francisco.

Yeah, that would be a smart thing for some government to do with a classified aircraft.

Secondly, Our government began secretly developing the Stealth Bomber during the Carter years which was just a few years before our sighting and what we saw was much more advanced than the Stealth Bomber.

Have you ever heard the noise a Stealth Bomber makes when it flies?

If what we saw was something our government was developing 30 years ago then our government wouldn't have wasted billions of dollars developing and producing the Stealth Bomber. Duh.


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Secondly, have you really examined the strength of the argument you're attempting to make? You say that because an eyewitness, an unqualified eyewitness, describes something that he may or may not have seen in the first place because we have to take his word for it, as being something completely beyond the scope of human achievement, another claim he isn't qualified to make, it must therefore be true and it must therefore be true because he says it must be true.


You can make that claim about someone else's sighting but since I know what I saw with my own two eyes in broad daylight, I know what I saw 30 years ago did things that are completely beyond the scope of human achievement today.

Where's the present day aircraft that can mask itself as a "cloud" then change into a self illuminating bright white football shaped aircraft and silently descend and hover only 500-700 feet above the ground as well as change from one aircraft into two aircraft while at the same time project thoughts into people's minds telling them not to look up or to look down to see if their shoelaces are untied?

If any government on this planet developed that type of aircraft they could rule the world.


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Oh, I will fully admit the possibility. It's possible that ET's were coming down to D.C. to service Clinton while Monica was away, but that doesn't make it likely.


There you go again, being a typical debunker smart ass.

Just because something isn't likely to exist doesn't prove that it doesn't exist.


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And when regular people make assertions which they are completely unqualified to make, let alone support, you'll just have to forgive me if I don't take what they have to say as gospel just because they say it.

Give me evidence and then we'll talk.


Just because you choose not to believe what my brother and I as well as many other eyewitnesses have seen that doesn't mean we aren't telling the truth.

Don't believe us. It's no skin off my back if you choose to remain ignorant about one of the greatest mysteries in our universe.

The universe is stranger than you or any other human being can even imagine.









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DawgfaninCa
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Link? We are talking not that long ago, around 2500 bc.



Why do I need to provide you with a link?

5000 years ago humans were so stupid they were superstitious and believed that many "gods" controlled everything including the weather. They even thought epilepsy was caused by demons.

Need I go on?

Evolved modern humans are much smarter than that.








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Qwerty
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Why do I need to provide you with a link? 5000 years ago humans were so stupid they were superstitious and believed that many "gods" controlled everything including the weather. They even thought epilepsy was caused by demons.


What does that have to do with intelligence? If you were born during that time with your current faculties, you would have been an average joe Egyptian and believed the same.

In fact, it was their strong belief that motivated them to focus such a huge portion of society's creativity and resources towards solving the problem of building pyramids, etc.

I find it very funny and ironic that you're claiming belief in supernatural explanations of natural phenomena to be a sign of low intelligence. I'm not saying you're stupid, don't misunderstand. You're saying you're stupid.






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First, I'm criticizing the typical alien stories with those questions.

Second, if you think you're effectively taking a shot at me by suggesting I'm thinking inside the box about aliens like the government wants, think again. I can't be insulted over something so very, very stupid that hasn't occurred except in the paranoid minds of people desperately grasping for some larger meaning in their lives.

Third, there are meds that make the blue orbs, grays, implants and probings go away.


And, you still didn't answer my questions about the lights though you defend what people see at night as being beyond human tech.



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People are always afraid of shite they can't see, explain, etc. Just to name a few paople with credibility through history who reported sightings/encounters:


Buzz Aldrin: Apollo 11 Mission, July 18, 1969 -

Aldrin stated that Mike Collins could see this craft in his telescope and that it was revealed to be an L-shaped object when in close detail. Aldrin stated that: "we decided that after a while of watching it, it was time to go to sleep and not talk about it anymore."

Gordon Cooper: 1957, Edwards Air Force Base, California: Cooper also stated that he believes an alien space craft crashed at Roswell, N.M., in 1947, and that "aliens were discovered in the wreckage." Gordon Cooper commented that: "A lot of very embarrassed government officials are sitting there in Washington trying to figure a way to bring the truth out. America has a right to know."

Edmund Halley: 1676

The famous astronomer who discovered Haley's Comet recalled two accounts of "unidentified crafts." Halley's first UFO experience came in 1676 when he saw what he called a: "Vast body apparently bigger than the Moon." Halley estimated that the craft was 40 mi. above him at the time of his sighting. Edmund commented that this craft made a noise "like the rattling of a great cart over stones." By estimating the distance this craft traveled in several minutes, Halley concluded that the speed of the UFO was greater than 9,600 m.p.h.

Alexander the Great:329 B.C., Central Asia

This famous conqueror reported two separate sightings of UFOs. One sighting reported: "great silver shields spitting fire around the rims in the sky that dived repeatedly at his army." These actions panicked his army and elephants so badly that his river crossing has to be delayed until the next day. Alexander reported that these shining silvery shields "came from the skies and returned to the skies." These flying shields flew in a triangular formation, and were led by an "exceedingly large one."

Others, to name a few, who have documented encounters: Columbus, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter...











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Qwerty
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The Alexander the Great story has no historical textual basis. It's a myth without sources. Perhaps derived from a poor translation of the following account. We don't know because the book where this myth appeared didnt cite a source.

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Furthermore, they [the Tyrians] would heat bronze shields in a blazing fire, fill them with hot sand and boiling excrement and suddenly hurl them from the walls. None of their deterrents aroused greater fear than this. The hot sand would make its way between the breastplate and the body; there was no way to shake it out and it would burn through whatever it touched. The soldiers would throw away their weapons, tear off all their protective clothing and thus expose themselves to wounds without being able to retaliate. (From Heckel, W. and Yardley, J. Alexander the Great: historical texts in translation, 2004, p. 147)


Eta: if you have a source I would like to read about it. I do find these things interesting but haven't seen convincing evidence.



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ChoupiqueSacalait
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Well, I for one find your experience fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

I wish some of the hard core skeptics in this thread would take the time to watch the Disclosure Project video linked earlier in this thread. But since it's over an hour in length I don't see them taking the time to do that. I'd really like to see some discussion about some of the claims that are made by the individuals interviewed in that documentary.






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I watched the Sirius documentary which was posted earlier and it there are several former government and military officials who actually do reveal what they believe and know about UFO's (allegedly from an unknown civilization), whether they are from this world or not. They just couldn't reveal this knowledge while being employed by the government.

Apparently, most people don't have the desire to watch or listen to their testimony.



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Do you believe governments know something we don't about extraterrestrials?


Yes. They realize extraterrestrials don't exist. Kinda like Santa and the Easter Bunny.






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ChoupiqueSacalait
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Apparently, most people don't have the desire to watch or listen to their testimony.


I know. I think that's unfortunate.

A lot of that testimony is pretty darn compelling.






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To believe we are the only life forms in the vastness of space is arrogant and ignorant. See: Drake Equation

It isn't "impossible or improbable" to think that there has been some interraction at some point.

I think we have done a lot of back-engineering of other world technology. All of the documented Nazi engineering is particularly interesting. Examples of some things I'm referring to would be like:

Ferrofluid
Electrogravitics
Nanoengineering






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DawgfaninCa
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if you think you're effectively taking a shot at me by suggesting I'm thinking inside the box about aliens like the government wants, think again.


When you ridicule eyewitnesses by asking how and why would "aliens" from outer space come here to study humans insinuating it is impossible and/or ridiculous for "aliens" to travel that vast distance in space just to study humans you are thinking inside the box the government wants you to think inside.

When members of the government are asked, "Do you have evidence that ;aliens' from outer space exist and are visiting this planet?" and they say, "No" then debunkers like you say "see, there is no government cover up. There just isn't any evidence that the government is hiding from the public".

However, if the "aliens" are inter-dimensional or have always been on this planet and the government is hiding the evidence, they can truthfully answer that question,"No" and still be covering up the truth.

That's what I mean by you are thinking inside the box the government wants you to think inside.

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I can't be insulted over something so very, very stupid that hasn't occurred except in the paranoid minds of people desperately grasping for some larger meaning in their lives.


I can't be insulted by you calling me stupid for thinking these "aliens" may be inter-dimensional.

After all, even scientists now think the universe may be comprised of many parallel dimensions.

If they are correct, what do you think is in those parallel dimensions?

Isn't it possible that highly evolved intelligent beings could be living in at least one of those parallel dimensions and have developed a method of traveling from one dimension to another dimension?

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Third, there are meds that make the blue orbs, grays, implants and probings go away.


Another perfect example of a typical debunker response which is to ridicule the eyewitnesses by accusing them of being crazy.

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And, you still didn't answer my questions about the lights though you defend what people see at night as being beyond human tech.


It's not just the lights in the sky at night that people are seeing and reporting that make them think what they are seeing is something that isn't made by humans.

It's also the incredible movements of the lights in ways that are impossible for human aircraft to do.







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