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re: PFF Oakland @ Saints Review
Posted on 8/18/13 at 12:39 pm to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 8/18/13 at 12:39 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:
The 8th linebacker spot is a mystery to me. Jay Richardson and Baraka Adkins have been ahead of Martin and Johnson, but I'd rather keep them.
Really?
I thought Martin was supposed to be the most impressive.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 1:05 pm to Hoodoo Man
Martin has flashed but has not been consistent. The other guys are vets and know how to play. It's no suprise they are ahead of undrafted or late round rookies at this point.
But the young guys likely have higher upside. So do you take experience or upside? This year we may need the experience but I think the others will get stashed.
But the young guys likely have higher upside. So do you take experience or upside? This year we may need the experience but I think the others will get stashed.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 1:24 pm to bonethug0108
Experience isn't always great.
Thinking of Will Smith.
Thinking of Will Smith.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 1:40 pm to Hoodoo Man
Smith showed he still knows how to get pressure. He's never had much experience in coverage and is too slow to consistently do it now.
But the other guys aren't as slow and their experience has kept them ahead on the depth chart. The rooks have to start flashing that potential quick(Humber style) if they want to make the 53.
But the other guys aren't as slow and their experience has kept them ahead on the depth chart. The rooks have to start flashing that potential quick(Humber style) if they want to make the 53.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 2:57 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:
He kept 8 linebackers
Smith
Lofton
Vilma
Junior
Wilson
Humber
Hawthorne
Isn't that only 3 OLB's? Wouldn't he have a 4th for the 8th spot, especially considering the other three we have, not fit for the position or young/inexperienced.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 3:04 pm to ATLienTiger
That's why I said the 8th linebacker spot is a mystery to me. Richardson is currently with the first team, but do we want him over Martin or Johnson during the regular season?
Posted on 8/18/13 at 3:33 pm to Patrick O Rly
After this coming game the situation will become a lot clearer...maybe.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 3:42 pm to Kcrad
why was j jenkins not in the ist half!??!?
the thought of him next to hicks makes me giddy. even if the starting lineup is bunkley hicks and jordan, he has to be used more than what they are showing. i mean he wasnt even in on short yardage. him and hicks pushing the pile....yesss
the thought of him next to hicks makes me giddy. even if the starting lineup is bunkley hicks and jordan, he has to be used more than what they are showing. i mean he wasnt even in on short yardage. him and hicks pushing the pile....yesss
Posted on 8/18/13 at 4:12 pm to Patrick O Rly
Im not sure. I haven't had the chance to watch either of our pre-season games yet. I would obviously think we would need to carry a 4th OLB over a 5th ILB though.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 5:19 pm to ATLienTiger
I think we'll probably break down like this:
24 Offensive Players
2 QB
4 HB
1 FB
6 WR
3 TE
4 OT
3 OG
1 C
26 Defensive Players
5 DE
2 NT
4 ILB
5 OLB
5 CB
5 S
3 Specialists
1 K
1 P
1 H
The more I think on it the more I think IAQ may not make the roster this year. That means that spot I had for the 6th safety will go to either a CB or a LB spot.
I'm giving a slight edge to the CB spot but if one of the LBs steps up like Humber did I think they could steal a spot.
As for the who right now I have:
QB: Brees, McCown
HB: Thomas, Ingram, Sproles, Robinson
FB: Collins
WR: Colston, Moore, Stills, Toon, Parker, Roby
TE: Graham, Watson, Higgins
OT: Strief, Brown, Harris, Armstead
OG: Evans, Grubbs, Jones
C: de la Puente
DE: Jordan, Hicks, Foster, Walker, Johnson
DT: Bunkley, Jenkins
ILB: Lofton, Vilma, Humber, Hawthorne
OLB: Smith, Galette, Wilson, Richardson, Martin
CB: Greer, Lewis, Robinson, White, Sweeting
S: Jenkins, Harper, Vaccaro, Bush, Leonhard
Bubble Cuts:
FB Johnson(PS), WR Tanner(PS), OG Lelito(PS), C Olsen, ILB Reddick(PS), ILB Herring, OLB Atkins, OLB Johnson(PS), CB Carr, S IAQ
Some notes:
I don't have Ryan Griffin as a bubble cut because I don't think the decision will be hard. You go with the veteran he is playing well and has starter experience. Griffin goes to the practice squad to learn for a year.
Unless Cadet can show why he looked like a potential gem last year it won't be difficult to take Robinson over him.
I think Johnson is making a case at fullback but I think they stash him a year on the practice squad unless he really stands out soon.
I think it could go either way with taking Parker, Tanner, and Roby but one of them will be left out. At the moment I think it's Tanner who'll go to the practice squad if still eligible.
They've recently moved Jones to guard and I know they love his size and potential. I think Harris is taking over the backup RT spot and Jones will be the reserve G/C.
On the Dline I think any of our DEs could also play NT which allows them to only take Bunkley and Jenkins as pure noses.
LB(both ILB and OLB) will be the most interesting and competitive of the roster battles.
At ILB I think the top 4 are set but I think there is a chance you can drop a corner and put Reddick or Herring back on the roster. I think Chamberlain being injured is playing him right out of the mix. I think most likely though we take 4 and Reddick goes to the practice squad.
At OLB I think the top 3 are set(Smith, Wilson, and Galette) and then I think there are some interesting choices. You could go all youth with Johnson and Martin or all experience with Richardson and Atkins. At this point Thomas is nothing more than a camp body. I think they'll go with Richardson and Martin and that'll give them some youth and experience.
I still think Johnson or Atkins are definitely in the running but I'm giving the edge at the moment in the experienced battle to Richardson over Atkins and in the youth battle to Martin over Johnson.
At CB the top 3 are set(Greer and Lewis because of skill and PRob because of contract) and I think White will take the 4th spot. If we carry a 5th corner I think Sweeting will just beat out Carr but if it's the other way Sweeting will be our practice squad corner.
At safety I think Leonhard beats out IAQ if we keep 5 and I'm now doubting my earlier prediction of keeping 6 given how the spot would be better used on another LB.
Outside of that I don't see any real battles.
24 Offensive Players
2 QB
4 HB
1 FB
6 WR
3 TE
4 OT
3 OG
1 C
26 Defensive Players
5 DE
2 NT
4 ILB
5 OLB
5 CB
5 S
3 Specialists
1 K
1 P
1 H
The more I think on it the more I think IAQ may not make the roster this year. That means that spot I had for the 6th safety will go to either a CB or a LB spot.
I'm giving a slight edge to the CB spot but if one of the LBs steps up like Humber did I think they could steal a spot.
As for the who right now I have:
QB: Brees, McCown
HB: Thomas, Ingram, Sproles, Robinson
FB: Collins
WR: Colston, Moore, Stills, Toon, Parker, Roby
TE: Graham, Watson, Higgins
OT: Strief, Brown, Harris, Armstead
OG: Evans, Grubbs, Jones
C: de la Puente
DE: Jordan, Hicks, Foster, Walker, Johnson
DT: Bunkley, Jenkins
ILB: Lofton, Vilma, Humber, Hawthorne
OLB: Smith, Galette, Wilson, Richardson, Martin
CB: Greer, Lewis, Robinson, White, Sweeting
S: Jenkins, Harper, Vaccaro, Bush, Leonhard
Bubble Cuts:
FB Johnson(PS), WR Tanner(PS), OG Lelito(PS), C Olsen, ILB Reddick(PS), ILB Herring, OLB Atkins, OLB Johnson(PS), CB Carr, S IAQ
Some notes:
I don't have Ryan Griffin as a bubble cut because I don't think the decision will be hard. You go with the veteran he is playing well and has starter experience. Griffin goes to the practice squad to learn for a year.
Unless Cadet can show why he looked like a potential gem last year it won't be difficult to take Robinson over him.
I think Johnson is making a case at fullback but I think they stash him a year on the practice squad unless he really stands out soon.
I think it could go either way with taking Parker, Tanner, and Roby but one of them will be left out. At the moment I think it's Tanner who'll go to the practice squad if still eligible.
They've recently moved Jones to guard and I know they love his size and potential. I think Harris is taking over the backup RT spot and Jones will be the reserve G/C.
On the Dline I think any of our DEs could also play NT which allows them to only take Bunkley and Jenkins as pure noses.
LB(both ILB and OLB) will be the most interesting and competitive of the roster battles.
At ILB I think the top 4 are set but I think there is a chance you can drop a corner and put Reddick or Herring back on the roster. I think Chamberlain being injured is playing him right out of the mix. I think most likely though we take 4 and Reddick goes to the practice squad.
At OLB I think the top 3 are set(Smith, Wilson, and Galette) and then I think there are some interesting choices. You could go all youth with Johnson and Martin or all experience with Richardson and Atkins. At this point Thomas is nothing more than a camp body. I think they'll go with Richardson and Martin and that'll give them some youth and experience.
I still think Johnson or Atkins are definitely in the running but I'm giving the edge at the moment in the experienced battle to Richardson over Atkins and in the youth battle to Martin over Johnson.
At CB the top 3 are set(Greer and Lewis because of skill and PRob because of contract) and I think White will take the 4th spot. If we carry a 5th corner I think Sweeting will just beat out Carr but if it's the other way Sweeting will be our practice squad corner.
At safety I think Leonhard beats out IAQ if we keep 5 and I'm now doubting my earlier prediction of keeping 6 given how the spot would be better used on another LB.
Outside of that I don't see any real battles.
Posted on 8/19/13 at 5:00 am to bonethug0108
jenkins not in first half????????
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