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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


I know you were using hyperbole but I just wanted to make that point so idiots didn't start agreeing with you





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D011ahbi11
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


Yea, most people probably won't get the reference, but I hope they know I'm not serious.





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TreyAnastasio
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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the correct answer is you dont know.


If the only way someone knows a character came from a comic is when it says marvel before the movie it proves my point. 95 percent of the movie going public don't read comics. If you change some facts from a comic back story the vast vast majority of viewers either won't know, or they won't care. They know what they see on the screen.

You want to change some shite up? Fine. As long as the end product is good.

You can't honestly say that Elba wouldnt be an awesome batman.






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RonBurgundy
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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If the only way someone knows a character came from a comic is when it says marvel before the movie it proves my point.


which means 100% of the people who saw Blade knows Marvel was the source of the movie. So yes they know it's comic.

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If you change some facts from a comic back story the vast vast majority of viewers either won't know, or they won't care. They know what they see on the screen.

You want to change some shite up? Fine. As long as the end product is good.

You can't honestly say that Elba wouldnt be an awesome batman.



Changing the character's history or traits to a significant point? Yeah that is an issue with moviegoers. Look at IM3 and the shite it took because of Mandarin. Look at the shite MoS takes because of people's perception of the Superman (Donner/Byrne based). Frank Millers take on Batman is the essence of Nolan's trilogy-an accepted take on Batman.(jeph loeb as well)

If the end product betrays the core of the character, it doesn't matter if the film is good or not. When you adapt a comic to the big screen, the core must be intact. A black Batman takes away from that core.


I can honestly say Elba wouldn't be a good Batman, because Batman isn't black and being a WASP is crucial to the character. His family built Gotham City-a major US city for generations. They were the good people of Gotham. Bruce was on track to be entitled kid-was also thought to be an aloof playboy in some takes and a active CEO in others became a good a man as his forefathers who are all white,despite public perception of him.*



The moment you make him black, you take that core characteristic, and turn into the black struggle OR you paint it as a black Wayne family built the city of Gotham-is unbelievable,even for a movie in "heightened" reality. It simply doesn't mesh with the early beginnings of this country.

Black Americans didn't possess the wealth it required to make establish the Wayne empire-and that is ESSENTIAL to Batman.

*Which is my biggest gripe with Nolan's trilogy, he isn't Batman for his parents or until he finds happiness, he's Batman for Gotham. That flame is eternal.






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Sentrius
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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What? To say batman, or any superhero cant be black because he always has been white is bull shite.




No, it's not.

This is one thing where change would be a disaster and should never happen. It would never be taken seriously by anybody, even black people. It would be the butt of a shite ton of jokes and a shock to the system. It would be so politically correct even for Hollwood, people's head would spin. Warner Bros is not going to risk the backlash and miss out on profits just to play a little social experiment they know will fail.

What if they made Storm from the X-Men white or Nick Fury back to white? I wouldn't take those movies seriously at all and think they're absurd and I would be in the majority on that opinion and you know it.

You're a moron for thinking a black actor for a role like Batman is a good idea.






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F machine
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Member since Jun 2009
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


I don't think changing nick fury back to white would be a big deal. Changing storm would because she's African. I know there are some whites in Africa but not many.





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Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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Changing the character's history or traits to a significant point? Yeah that is an issue with moviegoers. Look at IM3 and the shite it took because of Mandarin. Look at the shite MoS takes because of people's perception of the Superman (Donner/Byrne based). Frank Millers take on Batman is the essence of Nolan's trilogy-an accepted take on Batman.(jeph loeb as well)

If the end product betrays the core of the character, it doesn't matter if the film is good or not. When you adapt a comic to the big screen, the core must be intact. A black Batman takes away from that core.


I can honestly say Elba wouldn't be a good Batman, because Batman isn't black and being a WASP is crucial to the character. His family built Gotham City-a major US city for generations. They were the good people of Gotham. Bruce was on track to be entitled kid-was also thought to be an aloof playboy in some takes and a active CEO in others became a good a man as his forefathers who are all white,despite public perception of him.*



The moment you make him black, you take that core characteristic, and turn into the black struggle OR you paint it as a black Wayne family built the city of Gotham-is unbelievable,even for a movie in "heightened" reality. It simply doesn't mesh with the early beginnings of this country.

Black Americans didn't possess the wealth it required to make establish the Wayne empire-and that is ESSENTIAL to Batman.

*Which is my biggest gripe with Nolan's trilogy, he isn't Batman for his parents or until he finds happiness, he's Batman for Gotham. That flame is eternal.


Opinion's are like a-holes but this is so spot on it's almost factual.

Of the examples listed, they were a shock to the system and betrayed the source material. A black Batman would be the biggest and most indefensible shock to the system and biggest betrayal of the source material we would ever see. It would take a long time for the character and DC Comics to recover.






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TreyAnastasio
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


Sorry fanboys

You don't speak for the public on this. If the movies are good, the movies will be well received. No one cares about comic books.






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Brosef Stalin
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


Nope. Even people who don't read comic books know Batman is white.





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Sentrius
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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Changing storm would because she's African. I know there are some whites in Africa but not many.


Holy shite .

You can understand this but you can't understand it would be the same with a black Batman?

And what the hell do you mean "because she's African"? Why not say because she has always been one race for entirety of her existence? You know like Batman has always been one race too?






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TigerWerm
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman


I read this last night

Would be a fricking horrible choice, IMO

The very definition of miscasting






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Sentrius
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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Sorry fanboys

You don't speak for the public on this. If the movies are good, the movies will be well received. No one cares about comic books.




Even people who don't read comic books would have a big problem with Batman being black. It doesn't matter if the movies are good or not. A black Batman will nuke the movie at the box office before it even gets there. It would be dead on arrival.

This is nutty you think it's a good idea!!!






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Sentrius
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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The very definition of miscasting


Read the last 3 pages and you'll have to redefine it.






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D011ahbi11
Pacific Fan
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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Even people who don't read comic books would have a big problem with Batman being black.

I wouldn't and clearly a few on here wouldn't. Plenty of people wanted to see a black Spider-Man as well.






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RonBurgundy
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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You don't speak for the public on this. If the movies are good, the movies will be well received. No one cares about comic books.


Except the major studios that own (or now own) the actual comic companies. They absolutely care about the comic books-it's how they print the money!


every major good comic movie has gotten the core of the character and every bad one has changed something significant.


Critics usually are aware of the source material.

Word of mouth? that all starts from the "fanboys", once they bash it (for example at Comic-Con) the movies aren't well received.

"Fanboys" reactions make or break the perception of the movie. If the fanboys takes issue, the general consensus follows.

"Fanboys" are the only reason this genre has taken off and the studios care more about them than mindless public who likes the general idea of a summer movie. The details are what make or break a comic movie.



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Brosef Stalin
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


I think Spiderman is actually black now in the comics.





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Scoop
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


I thought Bloom was parked until someone was needed to portray Chester Bennington.





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Sentrius
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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I wouldn't and clearly a few on here wouldn't.


You and them are the minority.

If a there's a black Batman, it would severely cripple the genre of the comic book industry.

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Plenty of people wanted to see a black Spider-Man as well.




It's bad enough they're doing this shite in the comics. It would be horrible in the movies.






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RonBurgundy
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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I think Spiderman is actually black now in the comics.



In the alternate Ultimate Marvel universe, Ultimate Spider-man is now half hispanic half Black. His name Miguel Morales. He's a good character as a legacy hero and has teamed up with the Parker.

Pete Parker is still the main Marvel Spider-man (although it's actually Doc Ock right now-don't ask,but it's awesome).






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Sentrius
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re: Orlando Bloom to be the next Batman? (Plus Idris Elba debate)


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Critics usually are aware of the source material.


And any critic worth his salt wouldn't tolerate a betrayal of the source material on the level a black batman would be.

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Word of mouth? that all starts from the "fanboys", once they bash it (for example at Comic-Con) the movies aren't well received.

"Fanboys" reactions make or break the perception of the movie. If the fanboys takes issue, the general consensus follows.


They are the reason that Man of Steel went the way it did and that's because fanboys were pissed with how Superman Returns went and the fanboys actually made DC go in a different direction with Superman as a response to this reaction.

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"Fanboys" are the only reason this genre has taken off and the studios care more about them than mindless public who likes the general idea of a summer movie. The details are what make or break a comic movie.


Yep.

They have us to thank for awesome movies like the Avengers, Iron Man franchise and Nolan's Trilogy.






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