Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ? - Page 3 - TigerDroppings.com

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lowspark12
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


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Trying to find season stats on the 2000 Oklahoma team, but I can't.


Mike Leach was Stoops' first OC at Oklahoma in 99... ML left for Texas Tech in 2000 and Mangino was their OC for the 2000 NC team.

In Stoops early years, they were air-raid... maybe not as pass happy as Leach's teams at TTU b/c they had some pretty good RBs.






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Mahootney
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


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Yep. People need to realize that spread offense does not necessarily mean air raid.

Mike Leach's offense is the air raid.
Don't worry. People understand this.

However, he isn't talking specificially about the Air Raid..... He's talking about non-pro style, spreading the field offenses, which Leach, Holgorsen, Dykes, Sumlin, Kelly, etc all run.

I was just using the most recent example of top 10 teams to compare the relative success of spread offenses.






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lowspark12
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I guarantee you that had Cam Newton gone to Ga Tech instead of Auburn, Tech would have won a NC.


so had Cam come back for his senior year, AU would've been National Champs in 2011?... Go find a clue.






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Sophandros
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


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He's talking about non-pro style, spreading the field offenses,


The pros are increasingly spreading the field.

I get your point, but some posters in this thread seem to have equated spread with air raid or lots of passing.






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Sophandros
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


You suck at logic.





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MOT
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you're an idiot if you don't think their offense's ceiling is higher when everyone's on the same page, as opposed to more traditional offenses.

Every offense is better when it is clicking than when it isn't. I just pointed out your convenient disclaimer so that any future discussion can go something like this:
"They're unstoppable!"
"Well, they just lost to ___ and only scored ____."
"But they weren't clicking, still unstoppable!!!"

Does anyone have any theories on why these types of teams typically do not play good defense?






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Sophandros
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


Most of these teams move to such an offense to cover up their relative lack of talent. That lack of talent usually extends to the defensive side of the ball, where it's much more difficult to mask any deficiencies through systems changes.





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RTR America
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


The issue for Air raid/Spread teams is that they may be successful the first few years using this system, but defenses adapt.

Look at what happened to Urban Meyer his last 2 years at Florida or Oregon when facing good pro style teams. It is why you longer see the triple option really anywhere in football anymore, minus the spread zone read option stuff.

I like how people are using A&M against Bama as an example for this. Yes, A&M was able to shell schock Bama early, but they also allowed Bama to come back and be within 2 yards of winning that game.

Bama isn't giving up a 20 point lead to anyone with their offense.

The NFL is going more spread oriented because 75% of the draftable offensive players are coming from spread systems.

What is the biggest franchise altering position in the NFL? The QB. So when you draft these guys out of college who have barely ever taken a snap from center these offenses adjust to fit their QB's skill set.

The pro style offense will always be the most successful type of offense, but it requires skilled enough players to run it. Look at how much the offensive production has increased at Bama as the level of skill players continue to increase.






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H-Town Tiger
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


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with the "right" talent being an accurate QB, great RB, Great WR, adn good OL. Wouldn't they hang more points and put more pressure on the opposing D?


The part they are trying to equalize is the defense. Most Air raid and spread teams (mind you those can be very, very different offenses) don't have the types of athletes on D, that's why they do it. The LSU's and Alabama's of the world don't have that problem. Those teams could go more up tempo and do well. A&M will be a good test case as they can get similar athletes on. However, when you have more talent on D, you are probably better off trying to shorten the game via controling the ball and the clock.






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lowspark12
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


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Bama isn't giving up a 20 point lead to anyone with their offense.


uhhh...






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MOT
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But most of the coaches take the offensive system with them no matter where they go, regardless of the talent or lack thereof on defense and the ability to recruit defensive talent. I can see the point as it applies to the mid majors of the world, but wouldn't most top level BCS conference programs have the resources to recruit defensive players?





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RTR America
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


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uhhh...



Who has come back from 20 down to beat Alabama recently?






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VermilionTiger
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Alabama gave up 14-3 lead at the half..and received the kick off the start the 3rd quarter.

An 11 point lead against LSU is just as bad as 20.


ETA - How many points was Auburn down in 2010?



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lowspark12
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


Well, think back to one of your three most recent losses...

24 points down, actually






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RTR America
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Well, think back to one of your three most recent losses...

24 points down, actually



frick.....Blocked that from my memory I guess

Okay so it is very rare and took a super ridiculous QB to pull it off and a fumble to magically roll 20 yards down a sideline without going out of bounds.






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Mahootney
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re: Why doesn't every CFB team run the Air raid/Spread, etc. ?


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Most of these teams move to such an offense to cover up their relative lack of talent. That lack of talent usually extends to the defensive side of the ball, where it's much more difficult to mask any deficiencies through systems changes.
Look at the LaTech/aTm game last year. No way Tech should go into a game with a Top 10 SEC power and have a chance to win, but they kept scoring... and it took some fantastic Qb play for aTm to win that game.

There is something to be said for trying to change the game if you can't beat the big boys at their game.






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