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dangerous herds of feral dogs roam in there.


I need to see proof of this. I went to Detroit all the time over a four year period, and I didn't see any fricking dog packs. I did see some ignorant arse union guys who did menial tasks for 30 years and retired with a nice home. And a bunch of blue collar, unmotivated, resentful a-holes.






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I need to see proof of this. I went to Detroit all the time over a four year period, and I didn't see any fricking dog packs. I did see some ignorant arse union guys who did menial tasks for 30 years and retired with a nice home. And a bunch of blue collar, unmotivated, resentful a-holes.
Yeah, that was kinda odd. I thought maybe he was speaking metaphorically, but I'm not sure.






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RCDfan1950
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Detroit needs business investment to boost its tax revenues


Hell...Detroit HAD all that and more. Business paradise. They jumped on the back of the golden goose and rode that poor thing into the ground.

People that have EVERYTHING given to em...appreciate NOTHING. Will always gripe about what somebody else has...that they don't. The aggrieved mindset. Pernicious and viral.






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George Will and every single other neo-conservative POS can kiss my paleo-conservative ass.


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My response if I'm George Will: Whether or not there is a cultural problem in Detroit is a question regarding a matter of importance. Whether or not anyone is insulted by my saying that is a matter of no importance whatsoever.





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George Will and every single other neo-conservative POS
George Will is a "neo-conservative?"

What exactly do you mean by that?






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Posted by baybeefeetz quote: dangerous herds of feral dogs roam in there. I need to see proof of this. I went to Detroit all the time over a four year period, and I didn't see any fricking dog packs. I did see some ignorant arse union guys who did menial tasks for 30 years and retired with a nice home. And a bunch of blue collar, unmotivated, resentful a-holes.



LINK

This is from 1998 I am sure the situation is worse






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Heres another
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Her response exemplifies how the left keeps America from having serious conversations about inner cities, crime, or any topic where race is involved.

In fairness, Katrina Vanden Heuvel is probably the most liberal columnist in the U.S. To deny cultural collapse as a major problem in Detroit is lunacy. I've typed about this a lot over the past few weeks. New black leadership is desperately needed. The AA community needs a "come to Jesus" moment.

However, I remember at least a half a dozen threads blaming the demise of Detroit in democrat policies...as if quality (in the cars they produce(d)) wasn't/isn't a major driver of a company's success. There's plenty of blame to go around




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RhodeIslandRed
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George Will is a "neo-conservative?"

What exactly do you mean by that?


Read what that POS said about Mel Bradford when the neo-conservatives went after him with hatchets.






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However, I remember at least a half a dozen threads blaming the demise of Detroit in democrat policies...as if quality (in the cars they produce(d)) wasn't/isn't a major driver of a company's success. There's plenty of blame to go around

sure, but the cit spending is within the realm of the city council/government

if the businesses were scaling back/failing, and this led to a loss of population/money, the city should have scaled back in kind. this is a great example of how government often refuses to do just that. it's keynes gone wild, where they try to prop up their failing local economy (and the city-government fiefdom) with public funds

it's a different scenario than in say california, where many of the cities in trouble did not follow keynes due to human behavior. during the "good times" (which was basically like 2002-2008) when the cities are supposed to have surpluses and pay down their debts/liabilities, the cities ignored this and gave even greater benefits to public workers to "keep up with the jonses" in the private market. the private market declines, naturally, but the public workers remain "as is" during these down times. this doubles down on the deficit/debt problems

what doesn't help is dishonesty in discussing the issues, which you will find in this The Young Turks clip, where they blame the banks for the bonds they offered the cities.

blaming business can only get you so far. Detroit has been dealt an economic "Bad hand" since the 70s or so, but instead of accepting this and scaling back, they refused. governments are reactive by nature, so they should have recognized this. this failure to adapt to reality is why detroit is where it is. the economic issues are a factor, but the city government completely failing to adapt to the economic reality led to the bankruptcy

now, on a tangent, the truly scary part about all of this is how fedgov's policies basically fricked detroit hard. if a city is facing private economic collapse, and the people are reliant solely on the private economy for sustenance, then they will move away or congregate in the "manageable" areas. due to fegov, the vast majority of the population that is left in detroit did not have to do this. section 8 allowed them to live most anywhere in a MASSIVE geographic area. they could live off food stamps, welfare, etc without having to adapt to the economic reality. etc etc

the city of detroit was left with a dwindling tax base and a sprawled population that didn't have to face economic realities. not only did this give the city a false sense of population/tax base/power, but it also fricked it in the arse in the end by creating an unmanageable population to manage.






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Read what that POS said about Mel Bradford when the neo-conservatives went after him with hatchets.

1. Who is Mel Bradford?

2. How about giving me a link to the story you have in mind.

3. I'd settle for you simply defining what YOU mean by "neo-coservative" and why you think George Will is one.






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"We voted for you (Obama), now bail us out." - Detroit Councilwoman
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The city of Detroit faces a major financial crisis and one member of city council thinks President Barack Obama should step in and help.

City Council member JoAnn Watson said Tuesday the citizens support of Obama in last month's election was enough reason for the president to bailout the struggling the city. (Click the video player to listen)

"Our people in an overwhelming way supported the re-election of this president and there ought to be a quid pro quo and you ought to exercise leadership on that," said Watson. "Of course, not just that, but why not?"

Nearly 75 percent of Wayne County voters pulled the lever for Obama in November.

"After the election of Jimmy Carter, the honorable Coleman Alexander Young, he went to Washington, D.C. He came home with some bacon," said Watson. "That's what you do."



from 2012



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However, I remember at least a half a dozen threads blaming the demise of Detroit in democrat policies...as if quality (in the cars they produce(d)) wasn't/isn't a major driver of a company's success. There's plenty of blame to go around



I don't know if it was liberal policies, but the city definitely imploded for some reason, probably not attracting new industry when it should. Detroit BTW is the most Dem. leaning city in the nation.


Table 2: Top Twenty-Five Most Liberal Cities
Rank City State
1 Detroit Michigan
2 Gary Indiana
3 Berkeley California
4 District of Columbia
5 Oakland California
6 Inglewood California
7 Newark New Jersey
8 Cambridge Massachusetts
9 San Francisco California
10 Flint Michigan
11 Cleveland Ohio
12 Hartford Connecticut
13 Paterson New Jersey
14 Baltimore Maryland
15 New Haven Connecticut
16 Seattle Washington
17 Chicago Illinois
18 Philadelphia Pennsylvania
19 Birmingham Alabama
20 St. Louis Missouri
21 New York New York
22 Providence Rhode Island
23 Minneapolis Minnesota
24 Boston Massachusetts
25 Buffalo New York

LINK

Most Conservative (or Republican, actually)

1 Provo Utah
2 Lubbock Texas
3 Abilene Texas
4 Hialeah Florida
5 Plano Texas
6 Colorado Springs Colorado
7 Gilbert Arizona
8 Bakersfield California
9 Lafayette Louisiana
10 Orange California
11 Escondido California
12 Allentown Pennsylvania
13 Mesa Arizona
14 Arlington Texas
15 Peoria Arizona
16 Cape Coral Florida
17 Garden Grove California
18 Simi Valley California
19 Corona California
20 Clearwater Florida
21 West Valley City Utah
22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma
23 Overland Park Kansas
24 Anchorage Alaska
25 Huntington Beach California



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