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re: Player fires agent over losing 2million. UPDATED in OP
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:50 pm to shel311
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:50 pm to shel311
quote:
I know I'll be the only one or close to it, but I give the player zero responsibility here and the agent 100%. IMO it is absurd to think a player should know all of the details of his contract. These contracts are like novels with a million different provisions. This is basically the exact reason he pays the agent, for the agent to know these types of things.
agreed. 100% agents fault imo.
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 1:17 pm to tduecen
A girl I went to HS with married an NFL player-nobody famous, just a journeyman lineman, but he stuck around quite a while. He lost a ton of money due to bad investments with a con artist and had to keep playing a lot longer than he wanted to.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 3:20 pm to Jim Rockford
Agent should have been fired for having 2 million contingent on participating in the workouts in the first place, even if the dude would have remembered to attend.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 3:29 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:
Agent should have been fired for having 2 million contingent on participating in the workouts in the first place,
What?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 3:34 pm to Tayday
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Both the player and agent are dumbasses
Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:02 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
What?
Pretty self explanatory.
Most teams set the attendance mark at something like 80 or 90 percent of the workouts. With the reduced number of OTAs to begin with, if you miss a small amount, there goes your bonus.
That's what roster bonuses are for.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:13 pm to tduecen
quote:
Technically, it wasn’t a workout bonus. Brown’s salary hinged on participation in the offseason workouts. By failing to show, his base pay drops from $2.925 million to $925,000.
DAMN.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:15 pm to tduecen
quote:
San Fran gained 2m in cap room because of this as well
Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:17 pm to tduecen
Solution to this problem?
Go to your fricking OTA's.
But it is the agent's responsibility to ensure that the player knows his responsibilities.
Go to your fricking OTA's.
But it is the agent's responsibility to ensure that the player knows his responsibilities.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 4:59 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
The player should have read his contract
Did you read every page of your mortgage loan agreement? Cause I know I sure as frick didn't. Paid my attorney to advise me accordingly.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:32 pm to TexasTiger1185
quote:Actually, it's exactly his responsibility. Why do you think he gets paid 3% or whatever it is? That is his job.
But it is the agent's responsibility to ensure that the player knows his responsibilities
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:36 pm to Mr. Wayne
I love how this is the agent's fault. I can assure you that at some point the player knew it was part of the deal. But regardless of anything else, he's a PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER - that means you show up for pratice and training sessions. The player was lazy and not committed to being at the top of his game, dumb move.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:46 pm to mytigger
quote:How exactly can you assure me of that? He says he didn't know, i'm wondering how you can assure everyone that he did. You really think players know all of the details of their contracts?
I can assure you that at some point the player knew it was part of the deal
quote:What part of voluntary practice is everyone misunderstanding?
he's a PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER - that means you show up for pratice and training sessions
Posted on 7/26/13 at 5:54 pm to shel311
What, you don't believe he knowingly agreed to base two-thirds of his pay this year on being present for workouts that he never had any intention of attending?
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:11 pm to shel311
quote:These contracts are like 10 pages long. Not exactly Moby Dick.
These contracts are like novels with a million different provisions.
They really aren't as complicated as some of you seem to think.
It's hard to know without having knowledge of the incident and what the agent has told this guy. While it's probably most the agent's fault, the player should have some personal responsibility to know what the frick is in his contract. I mean come on. Still agent deserved to be fired more than likely.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:14 pm to shel311
quote:Because the agent has to tell the client what the agreement is so the client can accept it. The agent doesn't accept on behalf of the client. At some point he was told what the deal was. Now maybe he forgot or didn't understand, but at some point he had to have known.
How exactly can you assure me of that?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:30 pm to jturn17
quote:Who is the Golfer poster that everyone says has insider info and thinks is David Toms?
These contracts are like 10 pages long. Not exactly Moby Dick
I'm starting to think you're the new version of him. you know wayyyyyyy too much about all of the insides of sports to just be a casual fan.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:31 pm to jturn17
quote:Why did he have to know?
Because the agent has to tell the client what the agreement is so the client can accept it. The agent doesn't accept on behalf of the client. At some point he was told what the deal was. Now maybe he forgot or didn't understand, but at some point he had to have known.
you think players know every detail of a contract? Zero chance, that I can assure you of, though I'm not sure how I can do that lol.
Posted on 7/27/13 at 5:41 pm to tduecen
This is completely the agents fault.
ETA: Only a shitty agent wouldn't know their client was missing workouts.
ETA: Only a shitty agent wouldn't know their client was missing workouts.
This post was edited on 7/27/13 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 7/27/13 at 5:50 pm to Interception
The agent made almost $90k off this guy. More than most families make in a year. It is most definitely his responsibilty to inform and make ABSOLUTELY SURE his client understands $2M is dependant on making the set number of OTAs.
I wonder if the agent cant be sued for fiduciary breach of contract with the player.
I wonder if the agent cant be sued for fiduciary breach of contract with the player.
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