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re: A-Rod could be facing a lifetime ban
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:01 pm to molsusports
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:01 pm to molsusports
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Superstar athletes are put on a pedestal if not worshiped by huge numbers of fans. Those same people get really mad at those players when it turns out they were not worth the adulation.
Yep, when they are revealed to be flawed human beings like the rest of us, some people (like ballstaster) just go ballistic.
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Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:08 pm to TigerintheNO
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Andrew Marchand of ESPN writes that there is no language in Rodriguez's contract that would give the team basis for voiding the contract based on steroid use or suspension. If MLB succeeds in issuing a 50 or 100-game suspension for A-Rod, the team would save $15 million dollars that they would otherwise owe him. That is pretty much the most money they can save if a suspension truly comes to pass.
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So, no, the Yankees do not have grounds to void Alex Rodriguez's contract, even if he is suspended for up to 100 games for his involvement with the Biogenesis clinic. The only money they can save is on his salary while he serves out his suspension, unless they could definitively prove that he is unable to play as a direct result of the steroids obtained from Biogenesis – if A-Rod obtaining steroids from the clinic is even able to be proven through MLB's investigation.
The Yankees are paying him 28 million this season and owe an additional 86 million for remainder. If he walks away the Yankees don't owe him, if suspended Yankees save only what he would have earned during that period. So a life ban (not going to happen anyway) would be same as retiring.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:13 pm to tduecen
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Thanks to a loophole in the MLB players association contract, if Rodriguez is cleared to play for even one game before the suspension, he can suit up and technically retire as soon as the game is over. If that happens, when the suspensions come down, A-Rod won't be affected because he technically won't be an active player anymore. You can't suspend someone from something they no longer do. This is exactly why Alex is rushing to get approval from the Yankees doctors to suit up for a game. Even if he rides the bench, as long as he sits in the dugout wearing a uniform for one regular season game, he can immediately retire when the last strike is called. Under current union rules, if A-Rod claims he is physically unable to perform anymore, he can retire and retain 100% of that $114 million contract.
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This post was edited on 7/24/13 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:31 pm to TigerintheNO
I hope the Yankees have to pay him every dime.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:34 pm to TigerintheNO
ARod retires due to "injury" he still gets paid as well. I can't find anything else about that loop hole other than that website searching on phone, so I will question it for now
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:42 pm to TigerintheNO
Well that is crazy, is there any requirements to prove that you are physically unable? If not seems like that's what everyone would do before retiring with years left on their contract
Posted on 7/24/13 at 4:18 pm to tduecen
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ARod retires due to "injury" he still gets paid as well. I can't find anything else about that loop hole other than that website
Albert Bell got paid by Baltimore for 3 years after he retired.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 5:06 pm to TigerintheNO
That was because Baltimore deferred it, just not like what the Mets and Bonilla did.
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In December 1998, the Orioles signed Albert Belle to a $65 million, five year contract, which averages to be $13 million per year. Since 2 years of that contract have gone by, the Orioles would have paid $26 million to Belle.
However, $3 million of Belle's yearly salary is deferred without interest until after the contract expires. Thus, the Orioles have actually paid Belle only $10M each year so far, for a total of $20 million, and they will owe him $6 million more for those years starting in 2005.
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The insurance carrier doesn’t speak to the press without MLB approval. But chances are that a big payout in the A-Rod case would cool the market for insuring big insurance contracts, which is what happened with Belle’s case over a decade ago.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 5:13 pm to Sophandros
quote:Not good at spotting past tense? The union's current tune sounds surprisingly different from the way it has sounded in the past decade. They aren't rushing to Braun's defense like they might have years ago, and they're likely to do the same for A-Rod.
On one thread you say the union is protecting cheaters, and here you say it's just letting go. Which is it? Or are you going to try to rationalize the dissonance?
This post was edited on 7/24/13 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 7/24/13 at 5:19 pm to tduecen
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That was because Baltimore deferred it
No, that had nothing to do with it. Using your own quote-
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Orioles signed Albert Belle to a $65 million, five year contract, which averages to be $13 million per year. Since 2 years of that contract have gone by, the Orioles would have paid $26 million to Belle.
Belle would only play those 2 years, but was paid in full for the remaining three years of his contract.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 5:33 pm to TigerintheNO
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Belle has missed the Orioles' first five exhibition games because of a degenerative hip. He is guaranteed $13 million in each of the final three seasons of his $65 million, five-year contract, with $3 million a year deferred.
He must be put on the disabled list and deemed unable to play by a physician before an insurance company would pay the Orioles. Seventy percent of his salary is covered by insurance, Baltimore-area newspapers have reported.
Oh and the part that was skipped
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However, $3 million of Belle's yearly salary is deferred without interest until after the contract expires. Thus, the Orioles have actually paid Belle only $10M each year so far, for a total of $20 million, and they will owe him $6 million more for those years starting in 2005.
Albert got paid (his remaining salary) by insurance and then what insurance didn't cover the O's did. Then the deferments started in 2005 it appears.
If ARod happened Yankees would still be on hook for 20% of Arods salary but it wouldn't count towards luxury tax.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 6:01 pm to tduecen
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Albert got paid (his remaining salary) by insurance and then what insurance didn't cover the O's did. Then the deferments started in 2005 it appears.
The deferred salary had nothing to do with his injury or the insurance, I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Belle got paid by the O's, the insurance then reimbursed the O's. If Baltimore didn't take out the policy, they would have been on the hook for the entire contract.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 6:03 pm to TDawg1313
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A-Rod could be facing a lifetime ban
Posted on 7/24/13 at 7:41 pm to TigerintheNO
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Thanks to a loophole in the MLB players association contract, if Rodriguez is cleared to play for even one game before the suspension, he can suit up and technically retire as soon as the game is over. If that happens, when the suspensions come down, A-Rod won't be affected because he technically won't be an active player anymore. You can't suspend someone from something they no longer do. This is exactly why Alex is rushing to get approval from the Yankees doctors to suit up for a game. Even if he rides the bench, as long as he sits in the dugout wearing a uniform for one regular season game, he can immediately retire when the last strike is called. Under current union rules, if A-Rod claims he is physically unable to perform anymore, he can retire and retain 100% of that $114 million contract.
I hope he somehow gets to play his 1 game and promptly retires after. Yankees on hold for $100 mil. Would be absolutely hilarious
Posted on 7/24/13 at 8:33 pm to Bags of Milk
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I hope he somehow gets to play his 1 game and promptly retires after. Yankees on hold for $100 mil. Would be absolutely hilarious
I would start a petition for him to get his own personalized wing in the Hall of Fame.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 8:40 pm to TigerintheNO
I thought you were referencing what was defered when you mention O's were still paying after he retired. That is why I brought it up and continued.
And if Yankees hadn't taken out their policy they would be on hook. But if he "retires" and it isn't because an injury limits him then he would forfeit the remaining balance, if it is a medical issue Yankees only have to pay the difference in what insurance won't pay. As far as the loophole, I am not sure how it wouldn't fall into the voluntary retirement area where the Yanks wouldn't be held responsible.
And if Yankees hadn't taken out their policy they would be on hook. But if he "retires" and it isn't because an injury limits him then he would forfeit the remaining balance, if it is a medical issue Yankees only have to pay the difference in what insurance won't pay. As far as the loophole, I am not sure how it wouldn't fall into the voluntary retirement area where the Yanks wouldn't be held responsible.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 9:10 pm to TDawg1313
The outrage abou steroids in baseball is absurd, IMO. Had it not been for the steroid era, MLB may not have made it past the millennium after the strike of the 94 season.
The HR races of the late 90's brought the fans back in droves. These particular players should have their own wing in Cooperstown , IMO. It is complete bullshite for MLB to turn their back on Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Rodrigue, etc. Everyone in that era was juicing. You juiced or the game passed you by. A player has to maintain a competitive edge making those insane salaries in some form or fashion.
I also think the two worst decisions in MLB ever are Chipper Jones not getting ROTY in 95 and Pete Ross not being in the HOF. MLB casting a shadow in the steroid era is now third in my book.
The HR races of the late 90's brought the fans back in droves. These particular players should have their own wing in Cooperstown , IMO. It is complete bullshite for MLB to turn their back on Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Rodrigue, etc. Everyone in that era was juicing. You juiced or the game passed you by. A player has to maintain a competitive edge making those insane salaries in some form or fashion.
I also think the two worst decisions in MLB ever are Chipper Jones not getting ROTY in 95 and Pete Ross not being in the HOF. MLB casting a shadow in the steroid era is now third in my book.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 10:08 pm to ballscaster
Yep. As I predicted. You're trying to rationalize your dissonance.
This is too easy.
This is too easy.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 2:22 pm to 4LSU2
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MLB may not have made it past the millennium after the strike of the 94 season.
Well this statement is absurd, you are telling me the NBA made it through 2 lockouts and the NHL lost a whole season and part of another and made it yet baseball wouldn't have made it?
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