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Champagne
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Even though there was several pieces of evidence listed.


For the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and accept the GZ statements as fact, but, I don't see the logical nexus between the race-neutral statements and your conclusion that GZ based his actions upon race.






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Doresrules
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Right. And you know about as much as I do about what happened..


I agree 100%. Its why I don't I choose to look at this issue from BOTH sides. Not just draw a conclusion that TM must have been innocent OR that GZ was truly not guilty.

I don't know what happened. None of us know.






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Alahunter
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I tend to think the guy that had the gun and chose to follow the teen might be more of an aggressor than the guy walking from a store with a bag of skittles.


Why? Based on the conversation on 911 tapes, what leads you to make this assumption? Especially with the knowledge that is now out there, that TM was caught with burglary tools, attempted to buy a gun, enjoyed fighting...








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Doresrules
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Could you please direct our attention to the evidentiary foundation for these conclusory statements of yours? Thank you. PS You really should consider a self-assessment of your propensity to allow personal bias and prejudice to cloud your intellectual ability to objectively analyze your life experiences. Free yourself from prejudice and bias. You will feel liberated.



I just believe you can draw conclusions of your own because there is NO WAY to prove without a shadow of doubt what happened in this case.






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Champagne
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Stop acting as if you know for fact what happen.


I submit that it is YOU and the President whom are "acting as if you know for a fact what
happen[ed]."

You and the President have boldly asserted that GZ's actions were motivated by race. I merely challenged you to support this conclusion with some evidence. You attempted to do so, but, as I have illustrated, you can't establish a logical nexus between the race-neutral statements and your conclusion that GZ based his actions upon race.

Now, if we are allowed to make some prejudicial presumptions about GZ, then we can logically conclude that GZ's actions were based upon race, but, we shouldn't allow prejudice to cloud our analysis of things, right?




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NC_Tigah
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which he has every right to do if some crazed man grabs him)
From the time GZ lost sight of TM, do you know how much time TM had to run/walk 200ft to his home. The question you first have to address is how TM ended up within "contact" range at all. What was it? 4mins?

How did that happen again?






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Doresrules
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that TM was caught with burglary tools


A flat head screw driver....


Oh ok. I'm a burglar too...






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RogerTheShrubber
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I agree 100%. Its why I don't I choose to look at this issue from BOTH sides. Not just draw a conclusion that TM must have been innocent OR that GZ was truly not guilty.


Based on what we do know, it appears no crime was committed outside the initial assault, and we don't know who provoked it. All available evidence suggests Martin came back and confronted Zimmerman however.

The not guilty verdict was correct due to a lack of evidence otherwise.






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DumbCollegeKid
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Are you a pretty lady, too? That screwdriver had several pieces of women's jewelry as company.





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Alahunter
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There's context in where and what to identify something as burglary tools. Probably the fact that he was in possession of stolen merchandise gave weight to the fact they were designated as such, along with the findings that a flat head screw driver was used to pry something open. Is it that difficult for you to understand something so simple, or are you just that racially biased, that you refuse to acknowledge obvious evidence?





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NC_Tigah
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NO WAY to prove without a shadow of doubt what happened in this case.
Actually, what you can do is prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the evidence corroborates Zimmerman's account. Now what are the odds of his concocting details of that entire story, on the fly, and have it correlate 100% with all recorded call recordings, correlate with all evidence deposits, eye witnesses?






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Champagne
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I just believe you can draw conclusions of your own because there is NO WAY to prove without a shadow of doubt what happened in this case.


I agree with you here, and I share your sadness over the death of the young man.

I disagree with the notion of prejudging GZ by concluding that his actions were based upon his dislike for black male teenagers. Why? Because there's no evidence demonstrating that GZ disliked black male teens so much that he would go around picking fights with them.

Now, the President has injected himself into this conversation, despite the fact that he's the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the USA, and despite the fact that his Dept of Justice is actively investigating the matter with a view towards Federal criminal prosecution of GZ.

How do you respond to those who suggest that perhaps the President is acting irresponsibly to infer that GZ's actions were based upon race?

Should law enforcement (i.e. the President)remain objective during an active investigation instead of reaching conclusions based upon prejudice?

The President could have made constructive comments addressing future police training, re-visiting "stand your ground" laws, endorsing non-violence, endorsing self-assessment for the purpose of "wringing" the bias out of ourselves, and suggesting some further efforts towards assimilation of at-risk youth, and stopped with that, but, he did not. He simply had to make the inference that GZ's actions were motivated by race, because Obama is, always was, and always will be -- an agitating race-baiter.



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CITWTT
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Thia ia going to be headline news for months as a means of distraction for the much much more important things that need to be examined. The MSM will suck Oboes nuts till the cows come home, Holder will go back to it everychance he gets, the race baiters on the dole will do the same.





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Champagne
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The President could have made constructive comments addressing future police training, re-visiting "stand your ground" laws, endorsing non-violence, endorsing self-assessment for the purpose of "wringing" the bias out of ourselves, and suggesting some further efforts towards assimilation of at-risk youth, and stopped with that, but, he did not. He simply had to make the inference that GZ's actions were motivated by race, because Obama is, always was, and always will be -- an agitating race-baiter.

But the US electorate voted him into office twice, so, I won't hold any hard feelings toward the President for acting in accordance with his nature. At least he tried to say some constructive things, too, while he was race-baiting Whitey.




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tigertalkster
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I have never made negative comments about a president in the past. Mainly because I believe they are kind of a figure head that gets to much blame and to much credit for everything that happens. But in this instant it was completely irresponsible for him to make the comments he made yesterday. It almost seems like he was trying to cause a race war in our country and I have lost what little but of respect I had for him. You didn't see Clinton get on television and address the OJ trail because its not his roll to do so. It's one thing when an athlete says something based on emotions and completely another when the so called leader of our country does. Johnny football would be getting hammered if he got on tv and made the comments he made by the media and its time we hold our president to the same standards as a 20 year old.





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Champagne
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Obama didn't sit in Jerimiah Wright's sermons for 20 years for nothin', dude. He was there because he it was HIS kind of sermon.





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shawnlsu
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"Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago"


God damn shame it wasn't






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TigerJeff
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He means a half white half black dude could have been racially profiled by a half white half hispanic dude? what's this world coming to?





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