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augrad00
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People don't throw down their smartphones purposely. And he would have at least told the girl he gotta go


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tigersaint26
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You've never seen or been in a fight before have you. People don't think rationally.





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augrad00
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Actually I have. That's why Zimmerman story doesn't completely make sense. I'm going of what I experienced and seen. 6 feet boy jumping out of the bushes sound like some Hollywood BS, not reality. If TM jumped out of the bushes and clocked Zimmerman, when did the conversation take place between the two? After TM jumped him? Zimmerman story of how it started doesn't add up. He said the fight started by TM jumping out of the bushes as he was walking to he vehicle. That means there was no conversation according to Zimmerman's account.





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mmcgrath
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That means there was no conversation according to Zimmerman's account.
You know how I know you are a troll?






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KaiserSoze99
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Two people with something to prove tangled, and one died. Neither was legally right at all times, neither was legally wrong at all times, and one died.

If the result had been the death of Zimmerman, I think that Martin would have been acquitted as well. There wouldn't have been enough proof on either side, and there would have been plenty of doubt, as Martin could have argued that he saw the gun and feared for his life.

The above is conjecture; I don't know that that would have happened for certain, but I think that it would, and I think it's fair to say that it's likely.

Here's the philosophical question, and I don't have an answer to it, at all:

Would it have been better if Martin had killed Zimmerman instead of the other way around? Would it have helped race relations? Would it have been just? Would it have set a good legal precedent if he'd killed him and gotten off?

1. Like others have said, GZ did not break any laws, but assuming he is dead and TM makes up whatever story he wants, GZ would have been accused of assault with a deadly weapon.

2. Assuming GZ is dead and the only witness is TM, yes TM would likely have been acquitted.

3. It would have been "worse" for race-baiters and Obama if TM killed GZ because he and his ilk couldn't use the story for propaganda to get him re-elected and to push more irrelevant gun control laws.

4. Whether it was "just" is a matter of interpretation. Knowing the facts we know, the current situation was "just." If the facts are presented differently by TM and corroborated (like they were with GZ's account) then, I have to say yes again. But, unfortunately for the race-baiting jackasses who are destroying our country, the facts would NOT have corroborated a story like that from TM.

5. Neither case set any legal precedent. There needs to be an appeal of the trial court's decisions in the case, and appellate court rulings to set legal precedent. You are going to have to be WAY more specific if you want to talk about legal holdings going forward on the facts of this matter.



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JohnnyKilroy
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The needing to find an address part doesn't make sense either. Addresses are the front near the street. Why did ZZimmerman go behind the apartments to get an address?
according to GZ he didn't know/remember the name of the street he was initially on. He knew the name of the next street over so he walked to get a number on that street.



You're just trollin in this thread right?






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tigersaint26
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GZ never said he jumped out of the bushes. He said he came at him from side/behind and GZ says he saw him out of his periphery. He said their discussion happened then. TM came up and asked him something like why you following me or you have a problem. That's how it all started based on his account.

Both accounts say words were exchanged before the fight started.

edit to add words "he saw"



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augrad00
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Get the number from behind the apartments? Doesn't make sense. Zimmerman had no reason to go between the apartments other then to find and confront TM. TM had no motive to fight Zimmerman. He didn't know him to hate him. Zimmerman had a motive. He was he was tired of those "a-holes" getting away.





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augrad00
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Zimmerman said TM jumped out bushes





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tigersaint26
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Watch the video and see exactly what he says

LINK






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JohnnyKilroy
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Get the number from behind the apartments? Doesn't make sense. Zimmerman had no reason to go between the apartments other then to find and confront TM. TM had no motive to fight Zimmerman. He didn't know him to hate him. Zimmerman had a motive. He was he was tired of those "a-holes" getting away.


Watch his statement to the cops the day after the shooting. He explains everything. You don't have to believe him, but nothing he says is nonsensical or illogical.






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augrad00
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So he gave two different accounts? Doesn't that give him credibility issues? Didn't see a video in the link





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DawgfaninCa
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Zimmerman used an old police tactic called racial profiling.


Nonsense.

Z became suspicious of TM because of TM's behavior and the clothes TM was wearing.

TM was walking late at night near houses which had been recently buglarized and he was wearing black clothes including a hood over his head which made it difficult to see his face.

Any sane person who spotted TM doing that would become suspicious that he may be up to no good.





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DawgfaninCa
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TM had no motive to fight Zimmerman. He didn't know him to hate him.


You have to be kidding.

First of all, what if TM was sizing up houses to buglarize while he went to the store to get his skittles?

After all, TM wasn't a saint even if his mother thought he was.

TM saw Z following him and thought he was a creepy arse cracka.

That pissed TM off so he confronted Z and sucker punched him.

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Zimmerman had a motive. He was he was tired of those "a-holes" getting away.


Z didn't have to fight TM. All Z had to do is continue to watch where TM went and what he did. Z had already notified the police about TM being in the area so if TM turned out to be one of those "a-holes" Z would have called the police back and told them what was happening.

Z would never let TM get close enough to him so that TM could punch him.

If Z had seen TM approaching him Z would have pulled out his gun and kept TM at bay.

The only way TM could get close enough to Z to punch him in the nose before Z could pull out his gun was if TM somehow surprised Z by jumping out of the bushes and attacking Z.









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DawgfaninCa
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There is no evidence of who started the fight. That's what I've been trying to tell you. The only evidence is what I listed. None of it tells who started the fight. Only two people know who started the fight and one is dead and one was trying to save his butt from being locked up for life.


You stated, "There is no evidence of who started the fight." yet you imply that you know Z was lying about TM starting the fight when you said, "Only two people know who started the fight and one is dead and one was trying to save his butt from being locked up for life."

How can you know Z was lying about TM starting the fight when you are not aware of any evidence that proves who started the fight?









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USMCTiger03
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Neither was legally right at all times
Zimmerman was legally right at all times.






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TheDoc
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There's testimony that Zimmerman started the fight. The girlfriend said Zimmerman started the fight.


No she didn't. She later
Admitted that trayvon was giving George the "whoop ass" and that he should've just taken it like a man.






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TheDoc
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If Z had seen TM approaching him Z would have pulled out his gun and kept TM at bay.


This.

This is why I believe Zimmerman was snuck up on by trayvon






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