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shinerfan
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This is a fairly common attitude, A tweet from one of my Black "friends" on Twitter today:

Since Jamestown...

White males have received the benefits of 250 yrs of slavery...(free labor)....Another 100 yrs of segregation...(cheap labor) & about 300 years where women couldn't vote or own property...lets not forget Asians & Latinos forced to work for less than white males...

That's about 350 yrs of undeserved white male privilege where no one else was allowed to compete on a level playing field...(only white males need apply)

After leveraging that 350 yr advantage into some of the largest family fortunes & entrenched power on the planet, Mitt Romney, the poster boy of white male privilege congratulates other white boys on being, "makers not takers..."

Now THAT... is stunning ignorance...





I disagree with a lot of that in its parts but I don't find it disturbing in the least. Whoever wrote it is intelligent and coherent. Even though I disagree with the conclusion, its someone I could discuss these things with.

What I find very disturbing is the defenders of Rachel Jeantel(?) admonishing us for mocking that ignorant neckrolled TPOS. She really has two possible futures:

A) She becomes an unemployable baby factory and she and her progeny remain a drag on me and mine for decades to come.

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B) She becomes a fricking teacher.






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zeebo
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You are just getting older. All middle age people long for the good ole days. But they weren't that good and today is not so bad. How about the 1770's? How about the 1800's? Forget the civil war, the country was being taking over by the mics and dagoes who had a foreign religion and refused to assimilate. The country was going to hell in a hand basket. Then the loose morals of the gay nineties . The 1890's. the First World War , the Great Depression, World War II etc. and these are just the white man problems. For blacks it was much worse. We live in a paradise by comparison. Media always focuses on the negative. The world has been going to hell for 10,000 years, but things keep getting better my friend, and fellow oldie!





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thedogman
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You have to be taught to care. Most people have to be taught a work ethic and responsibility. It is very hard to pull yourself out of poverty if you do not have the basic foundation of discipline and a work ethic.


That is why I said it was cultural.






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Interception
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We had a good discussion about the trial at work today. My black girls are light hearted with jokes but you can see they are disturbed by the things they read on FB and hear around their white friends. They are very rational girls, but its emotional to them and I could see how sensitive a subject race still is. The part that sticks at them the most is the profiling. The prosecutor says, "it's not racial, so how else was Martin being profiled"? I said, "you know the answer to the question". It was a racial profiling that occurred and it happens more than white males realize.

I think the worst thing to do is ignore what's going on especially in offices with mixed races. My point to them was the jury was hamstrung by the evidence and laws in Florida. The jury came to the right decision with what was in front of them. There was no winner in this case because Zimmerman will always be looking over his shoulder as long as he lives. His life is over in many ways.

If Zimmerman would have told Martin who he was or Martin would have said he lived in the neighborhood this would have probably never happened. What's lost is the communication much like in this debate. I believe racial profiling is the lost message in all this but both sides are focusing on on the end result not the cause.










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mikelowery1911
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That is why I said it was cultural.


I was focusing more on the being taught aspect. It is cultural. It is the culture of poor people. The question is how do you instill discipline and work ethic to poor children who are born into a culture where it is not taught?






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thedogman
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I was focusing more on the being taught aspect. It is cultural. It is the culture of poor people. The question is how do you instill discipline and work ethic to poor children who are born into a culture where it is not taught?


I wish I knew, it's sad and perpetual






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L.A.
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They are very rational girls, but its emotional to them and I could see how sensitive a subject race still is. The part that sticks at them the most is the profiling. The prosecutor says, "it's not racial, so how else was Martin being profiled"? I said, "you know the answer to the question". It was a racial profiling that occurred and it happens more than white males realize.
Two questions:

Why do people "profile" young black males?

Do you think everyone who "profiles" a young black male is a racist?






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Interception
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Why do people "profile" young black males?


We joked about this with the girls today. I said, "what do y'all think a dirty white man is doing in an all black neighborhood"? They laughed because they think he is buying drugs. Everyone profiles or assumes stuff that may not always be true.

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Do you think everyone who "profiles" a young black male is a racist?


I think everyone is a little bit racist?






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L.A.
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I think everyone is a little bit racist?
So your assumption is that anyone who profiles a person of another race is ipso facto a racist. I disagree 100%. Sometimes profiling a person who is a stranger to you is nothing more than common sense and the use of the intelligence and powers of reasoning that come from experience.

Statisically speaking, young black males commit a disproportionate percentage of violent crimes in America. A person would have to have been in coma for the past 40 years to not be aware of that fact. It's not necessarily racism to take that into consideration when planning one's actions.

Here's an example. Years ago I had to go to a meeting in South Central L.A. I stopped at a gas station near South Central and asked a black guy pumping gas if he knew where this particlur building was. Do you know what he said to me? He said, "I wouldn't go in there if I were you."

Clearly he was profiling the people who live in South Central. Is he a racist?






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Interception
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Well I knew what your answer was going to be

EVERYONE is a little bit racist... I bet you are?






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CajunAngele
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Could Obama be a pathological liar and narcissist?

What is your opinion on the comparison of Obama and Hillary reflecting Saul Alinsky tactics?






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Vegas Bengal
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Has there ever been a thread where you don't mention Obama?

Do you have Tourette's Syndrome?







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onmymedicalgrind
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I just haven't seen too many rags to riches stories from urban inner city youths.

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I have yet to see a giant collection of poor to successful black people

Would you like to receive a text update every time a poor black person becomes successful?






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onmymedicalgrind
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I went to private schools my whole life, had less than 10 black kids in my schoo

Wtf does this even mean? You sound like a sheltered elitist. My pubic high school outperformed (and continues to outperform) pretty much every private HS in the area.
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I don't know what world you live in where you are seeing all these successful black people who aren't athletes and entertainers but I live in a very good life and in my nice condo here in Dallas, there isn't 1 black person. Nope, not 1 doctor, lawyer, nothing here. So please enlighten me on where all these successful black people are bc I know the immigrants are a very dominant crowd in the small business world and there are more success stories than I can even count.

Come to ATL, they are everywhere here.






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wmr
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Agree completely with OP.

It really exposes the anti-white hatred of the left, that they would go to such lengths to make this completely racial.

They won't let it go, either.

They cannot be reasoned with.

I can honestly say I hope we find a way to break this country up, because otherwise the whole shithouse is going down in flames.






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bigbowe80
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That's about 350 yrs of undeserved white male privilege where no one else was allowed to compete on a level playing field...(only white males need apply)


And yet despite the best efforts of the terrible white males who run this racist country, by some miracle, Indians (from the country of India)have come over to this country for years with nothing in their pockets and now have a higher household average income than whites in this country. Somehow, in only a few generations of being in this country, a race that is just as dark as African Americans in many cases has achieved a higher status of wealth on average than even whites. How is this possible? Surely they have faced discrimination at every turn and fought a system that was put in place centuries before them to make them fail and never get ahead? It couldn't just be due to hard work and a strong family structure that puts a premium on education and pride in success.

I'm so confused, someone help me understand how this is possible? It's crazy how the "most racist, hate filled, exclusive and elite country in the world" is also the most sought after place immigrants the world over seek to come to by any means possible.



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RCDfan1950
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I sent this letter to my local paper this morn, I:


Profiling:The “Ugly Duckling”

The very essence of efficient Law Enforcement in keeping us all safe...is their ability to profile. To walk the streets and eyeball suspicious characters, and put fear in them that would do us harm. Do we really want the Law to arrive, after the crime? Didn’t think so. We want them to prevent crime. Do we think we can call them every time we see one of those characters cruising our front yard, plotting strategy and waiting for their chance to attack. Nope! The bad guys know this, they’re patient; they don’t need to go to work, they are at work all the time.

Reactive commentary of impassioned folk re the Zimmerman trial notwithstanding, the issue of profiling remains the central issue that must be resolved because it will be critical in the near future. It is absurd, and economically impractical and impossible not to profile. There are profiling professionals in the Law Enforcement community who are highly valued when brought into hard cases to spot the bad guys. The politically-correct days of searching Granny and the kids to keep from hurting the feelings of young Muslim men - who apparently don’t give a hoot about old Granny’s feelings - are soon to be over. Foolishness...’strain at a gnat and swallow a camel’. We can’t afford it.

If there is a crime in this community, and a witness saw a pudgy white male, bow-legged, 5'7" with grey hair leaving the crime scene...I would have no problem being stopped if out for a drive in that community. In fact, I’d expect as much, so as to make our dwindling tax money go further. It’s called efficiency and responsibility. We gripe at em’ all the time about it.

And as our civil law enforcement resources are stretched, it will be private individuals that will assume responsibility for local safety. Enter Zimmerman, and many like him. Pre-emptive action - whether in addressing crime or cancer - is a critical difference maker. Responsible, Community Watch individuals should be openly identifiable; a yellow hat or something. That would have changed the whole dynamic down there in Florida.

Zimmerman did profile and engage in pre-emptive action re Martin. Martin - sadly - fit the profile of young black men who are committing crimes at rates that would cause Martin Luther King to roll over in his grave. We can play mind games about the law and justice all day long; but it looks like Justice is now in the eye of the beholder. We may never agree about that trial, but that won’t change anybody’s mind or action when it comes to individuals protecting their loved ones and property in the future.

This whole idea of being insulted in regard to being profiled is not only misguided, but dangerous. It is likely that the young, testosterone-filled Martin became highly indignant at being profiled, and attacked the in-over-his-head Zimmerman. Martin’s record included drugs, burglary and violence (punching bus drivers)...and he was on school suspension when shot. Social Media posts indicate he was proud of his fighting prowess (what 17 yr. old male ain’t), and was looking to gun up. Both the word “child”, and “justice” and “profile” are being misapplied...to a pernicious end. Division...the opposite of Love.

If the boy had understood Zimmerman’s real intent...if Martin’s folk had informed him of the rash of burglaries and fear and that he should be helpful instead of confrontational...if he had walked up to Zimmerman - a good man who had previously worked to mentor Black children - and explained his presence and offered to help the neighborhood...then the two may have become friends. And all this evil division averted.

If Black and White folk are to live close - especially Christians, who in their heart desire to follow Christ’s mandate - then we need to rise above petty biases like color, and rightly discern the dynamics that can cause serious division. If good and responsible Black folk in their neighborhoods form Neighborhood Watch groups because they fear the kind of racism that they now perceive to be everywhere...and if I were to go into their neighborhood...I’d be sure not to wear my Confederate Flag T-shirt or Rebel Hoodie (not that I have either). If I did choose to do so, I’d expect to be challenged by both well-meaning and responsible folk protecting loved ones and the racist, hood thugs as well. I’d congratulate and pray for the former, and pray for myself re the latter.

Black folk should understand and respect the legitimate fears of honest Whites as well. It is not the profiling that will cause respect for law to be abandoned and this place to go rogue, but rather the result of unsuccessful pre-emptive action that has potential for us all to suffer such that we lose faith in the ability of the Law to protect us. We’ll all see real injustice if that happens.

Many of our youth are spiritually lost and desperate; Black and White. Adults too. It’s a sign of the hard times. “Where there is no vision, my people die” (Biblical). The evil powers that we fight against are within us, and employ the ‘divide and conquer’ strategy. It behooves all folk of good will to come together, to watch and profile and condemn wrong behavior regardless of color. And to challenge it. For each other’s sake. “Pride goeth before the fall”. It is real easy to go all in for your team, and be impassioned into dark action before the adrenaline abates. If it weren’t for the Law during an LSU/Ole Miss ball game...the parking lot would probably look like Antietam before the Half.

Martin Luther King was right; it ain’t about color...it’s about character.




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RCDfan1950
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I'm so confused, someone help me understand how this is possible?


IQ and focused dedication on solid character values/principles.

I blame a lot of this on the BLACK CHURCH. They went political, resulting in charlatan demagogues like Jackson and Sharpton. It won't be politics that is the hope to avert a racial disaster...it'll be the Church. If the Church don't step up and take back their religion...like the Muslim's had better do also....it will be costly for both groups.







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drdoom
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I would wager that 95% of the the people that seem outraged about this verdict received the full balance of their knowledge regarding it from 2nd and 3rd hand sources, many of which did not provide them with factual knowledge.



i would agree with this. Wonder how many saw a post on facebook about the verdict and became enraged?






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