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re: Rapper Nelly says Kobe is spoiled by LA and nobody wants to play with him
Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:11 pm to reb13
Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:11 pm to reb13
quote:You're right. Injuries and a new coach had nothing to do with it.
Hell he made allowed a great team talent wise to look like an average team last year.
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Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:12 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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He was Lucky Gasol was so willing to come in there and accept his role and play it so well or Kobe wouldn't have gotten those last 2 titles.
Gasol was an all-star before going to the Lakers, but he never won a playoff game or got proclaimed as the best offensive big man in the NBA before moving to LA.
Of course his stats would go down when goes from #1 option to the #2/3 option behind Kobe and Bynum/Howard. Using Nelly's argument, Dwayne Wades stats have gone down, and it's due to Lebron not making those around him better
This post was edited on 7/16/13 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:18 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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You give Shaq another all star to replace Kobe with and you bet your arse he does.
but he didn't.
he had 2 backcourt all stars in van exel and eddie jones.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:46 pm to tiger2012
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but he didn't.
he had 2 backcourt all stars in van exel and eddie jones.
That is because Phil Jackson wasn't there yet when those guys played with Shaq. And Van excel only got an all star nod because he was on that team. No one would would consider him an all star player. The three years that Shaq led the Lakers to titles, he would have done so with Ray Allen instead of Kobe easily. And IMO they probably beat the Pistons for that 4th one.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:49 pm to LSU Nguyener
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Gasol was an all-star before going to the Lakers, but he never won a playoff game or got proclaimed as the best offensive big man in the NBA before moving to LA.
That is because he never had a team around him in Memphis. He was a great player that was will to go to L.A. and be number 2 to Kobe. And do it so well that they won NBA titles.
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Of course his stats would go down when goes from #1 option to the #2/3 option behind Kobe and Bynum/Howard. Using Nelly's argument, Dwayne Wades stats have gone down, and it's due to Lebron not making those around him better
What a load of horse shite. D Wade is getting older, not to mention Miami has 3 studs sharing the ball. I don't think ANYONE with half a brain would argue with Lebron makes the players around him better.
This post was edited on 7/16/13 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:55 pm to Rittdog
Kobe...spoiled... obvious statement is obvious.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 7:58 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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What a load of horse shite. D Wade is getting older, not to mention Miami has 3 studs sharing the ball. I don't think ANYONE with half a brain would argue that Lebron makes the players around him better.
I said, "Using Nelly's argument" which I obviously don't agree with..
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D Wade is getting older, not to mention Miami has 3 studs sharing the ball.
sounds like the same excuse Gasol could use, except Nelly said Gasol's stats got worse when he started playing with Kobe. The dude went on First Take and moved his arms all over the place and talked louder than Stephen A. and Skip (which is an accomplishment btw), but it doesn't mean that he had any substance to his arguments
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:02 pm to Rittdog
funny...upon defecating several days ago the thought crossed my mind that nelly hasn't had a track worth a frick since like 2002 or something.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:05 pm to Rittdog
I saw the interview this morning. I thought Nelly brought up interesting points.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:05 pm to PortCityTiger24
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The Lakers have been extremely fortunate in drafting once in a generation players in Magic and Kobe, along with their acquisitions of Kareem, Shaq, and to a lesser extent Pau, but who is the star that is going to go there and keep the franchise elite? Lebron ain't going to play with Kobe. Who else is capable of making that franchise dominant? Paul George? Melo? Those guys won't carry a team to a title.
The Melo in LA idea seems terrible to me since both Kobe and Melo are volume shooters.
Lebron to LA seems idiotic from Lebron's perspective. George or Kyrie to LA could happen I guess but with Pau and Kobe aging further that won't make them a championship caliber team next to teams like Houston or OKC
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:33 pm to LSU Nguyener
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sounds like the same excuse Gasol could use, except Nelly said Gasol's stats got worse when he started playing with Kobe.
What does Gasol's stats have anything to do with what I said? Remember....all I said was that Kobe was very lucky Gasol was willing to come play the number 2 role and then him play it so well. I was only arguing your point about Wade that YOU made.
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The dude went on First Take and moved his arms all over the place and talked louder than Stephen A. and Skip (which is an accomplishment btw), but it doesn't mean that he had any substance to his arguments
Pretty sure his point was that Kobe is such an a-hole that no one that is good enough, will go to L.A. and put up with his bullshite now to win a championship. I thought it was a very valid point.
This post was edited on 7/16/13 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:41 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
Sorry I'm not really griping about you.. I was bringing up Gasol's stats and used the D-wade reference in response to what was said on the show. I responded to you bc you brought up Kobe was lucky that Gasol accepted the role. Its not like Gasol was going anywhere being the #1 option in Memphis anyways was my point
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:44 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Pretty sure his point was that Kobe is such an a-hole that no one that is good enough, will go to L.A. and put up with his bull shite now to win a championship. I thought it was a very valid point.
In todays NBA, you cant just have a good player come in, you need super stars. There were no super stars in this FA class besides Dwight. Come next year when there are big fish up for grabs and Lakers don't get one; then ill agree
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:44 pm to Rittdog
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"And then you got him two more 7 footers and he got two more rings."
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MUST
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FAP
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:48 pm to Weebie
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quote: Kobe has always been the most overrated NBA player since Jordan's retirement. Without having multiple All Star players and a dominate big man to hold his hand every step of the way, Kobe is nothing more than just a another chucking shooting guard. All Star caliber player no doubt, but an overrated chucker.
This is just nonsense. Kobe would be the greatest player in franchise history for almost every team in the NBA. Even if he plays in Milwaukee and wins 0 titles from '96-'13, he's probably a 30/5/5 45% FG career guy. On numbers alone he's an all time great.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:52 pm to AlexLSU
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This is just nonsense. Kobe would be the greatest player in franchise history for almost every team in the NBA. Even if he plays in Milwaukee and wins 0 titles from '96-'13, he's probably a 30/5/5 45% FG career guy. On numbers alone he's an all time great.
I'd give you that, but he'd probably still be ringless.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:56 pm to AlexLSU
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This is just nonsense. Kobe would be the greatest player in franchise history for almost every team in the NBA. Even if he plays in Milwaukee and wins 0 titles from '96-'13, he's probably a 30/5/5 45% FG career guy. On numbers alone he's an all time great.
If he were in Milwaukee his whole career it would be similar to that of Allen Iverson.
This post was edited on 7/16/13 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:57 pm to SabiDojo
I think Kobe could've found a way to win one with a good supporting cast in the 2002-present era. Dirk and Wade both made it happen, but you're telling me Kobe, with the right team, doesn't get it done once?
So Kobe would have flamed out of the league years ago and gone broke? Aside from being half a foot taller, he and AI don't exactly resemble each other character wise
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If he were in Milwaukee his whole career he would be similar to that of Allen Iverson.
So Kobe would have flamed out of the league years ago and gone broke? Aside from being half a foot taller, he and AI don't exactly resemble each other character wise
This post was edited on 7/16/13 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 7/16/13 at 8:57 pm to AlexLSU
i jus realized why I dont watch first take
Posted on 7/16/13 at 9:00 pm to AlexLSU
There's no way to know for sure so it doesn't matter.
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