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most shows struggle to find its sea legs for a season or more. TOS was hitting homeruns in the first season,


That's really the case with TNG. I don't think that really hit it's stride until the 3rd season. Part of that is because of the Writer's Guild strike before season 2. The Menagerie was the episode that got me hooked on TOS, the one that got me on TNG was Yesterday's Enterprise. In Baton Rouge at the time, they showed the new TNG and then TOS back to back on Sunday night's (10 and 11 I think). TNG had a few good episodes in the first 2 season, but a lot more meh those years. 3,4 and 5 are where that show took off.



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I don't think that really hit it's stride until the 3rd season.


Definitely true - the writing really settled down and got smart and solid - never, really the genius of TOS, but they took advantage of standing on tall shoulders. I think that was leveraged into DS9, as the writing there was pretty solid from the beginning - only really weak in spots. TNG had shaky writing to start, really solidified and only tailed off again at the end. Since DS9 also had Worf - and in a bigger role, too, the only thing that is really superior about TNG is Data. Not saying Sisko, Kira and Dax are "better" characters than say, Picard, Riker and Troi, but they're pretty comparable, as are the doctor's - and Quark is a way better bartender than Guinan.


Now - I said at the beginning we would take all week for The Menagerie/The Cage, if needed, but unless there is a little more discussion, we will kick off "Shore Leave" tonight.






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*SHORE LEAVE*



A fun romp on an amusement park planet - except it is dangerous when the crew doesn't understand how it works.

This episode has one of the strongest musical scores - themed to each "attraction", and a strong guest performance by Bruce Mars as Finnegan (he was 30 years old, not 20 as Finnegan claimed to be).

The story is a little hokey, but executed fairly well.

Also, Emily Banks was another very attractive guest star as Yeoman Barrows (another side effect of losing Grace Lee Whitney is this revolving door of hotties during the first season ).




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TNG had a few good episodes in the first 2 season, but a lot more meh those years. 3,4 and 5 are where that show took off.


pretty much the truth. I had almost given up by season 3...then enter the borg.






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then enter the borg.



A great villain can do that. That's something the TOS did fairly well, although somewhat predictably. They frequently had an overpowered enemy combined with a ticking clock. Or found ways to combine diplomatic issues, internal strife and/or and external threats (Journey To Babel and Patterns of Force, comes to mind).

TNG had its moments early - Q was a great way to kick off, but, yeah, as I said before, way too much deus ex Wesley Crusher, especially season 1.






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Fun episode. Lots of funny little moments throughout.

I'm not sure what's funnier - Kirk's reaction at realizing Barrows was giving him the massage, or the idea that he thought SPOCK of all people was rubbing his back on the bridge.

Barrows in the torn tunic.

Shatner's not known for his subtlety in acting, but he does a good job conveying with his expression Kirk's shock and dismay when McCoy dies.

The poor girl from Balance of Terror seems to have moved on from her loss. At least I have always had the impression she and the Rodriguez were an item.

Of all the fist fights Kirk engages in, I root for him to beat up his opponent more in this episode than any other.



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Fun episode. Lots of funny little moments throughout.


There is a great moment when Spock decides he's had enough "Shore Leave" - he says, "With all due respect to the young lady" - as he passes her off to Sulu, and he very subtly touches her on the chin - it is very charming and sweet, particularly in light of Spock's clear knowledge the girl is a construct, and not a real person.

That is great acting that you could miss if you're not watching closely. This is the advantage of having the dialogue memorized - I can just watch and enjoy these wonderful, subtle touches of acting.






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Bump for the Saturday Crew.





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Love the finnegan scene





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The poor girl from Balance of Terror seems to have moved on from her loss


The character was actully written as "Mary Teller" originally - a new character. Much like Riley coming back, they scrambled to change the script when they realized the actor had already played a named character in a past episode. Shatner didn't get the memo and refers to her as Teller at one point during the episode.

The character, by canon, "Angela Martine" appeared in 3 episodes (total) including Balance of Terror, Shore Leave, and Turnabout Intruder (although, again, Shatner refers to her as Lieutenant Lisa in TI). She would have been in Space Seed, but her scenes were cut.

Anyway, the actress, Barbara Baldavin is married to Joseph D'Agosta, the casting director for TOS - she became a regular on Medical Center in the 70s and ultimately became a casting director, herself, working on Dynasty and Trapper John, M.D., among other work.



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Bump for the Saturday Crew.



When the WWII plane goes on the strafing run, it's clearly an F4u Gull wing Corsair. Yet when they switch to the closer up part of the attack it's a flat wing faux Zero.

The whole episode struck me as some sort of precursor to the Holideck in TNG.






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The whole episode struck me as some sort of precursor to the Holideck in TNG.



Yes, my crew agrees with this, as well.

Next up is The Squire of Gothos.






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*THE SQUIRE OF GOTHOS*



Can anything more be said about William Campbell's wonderful turn as General Trelane (retired) - the lonely Squire of Gothos?

Based loosely on Liberace, this character with many comedic qualities has a dark side. Also a prototype for TNG's Q (the more you watch TNG, the more you realize they had no original ideas - at all, until the Borg - and really, didn't stand on its own until they faced the Borg.)







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Bump for Wednesday





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Also a prototype for TNG's Q (the more you watch TNG,


I always suspected this except the squire was even more childlike. Of course the reason is shown at the end of the episode.

I suspect that the squire's powers could be overmatched by Q's powers.






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Great and memorable performance as Trelane. Too bad the character didn't appear again in the series.

Scotty requests permission to go to the planet, but Spock says he is needed on the Enterprise. I wish he did go, as he doesn't have a lot to do on the ship this episode.

Trelane's castle is a nice looking set, with a few bizarre items scattered among the earth relics. McCoy definitely recognized the salt vampire.

It's chilling how cheerfully and happily Trelane is trying to hang Kirk or run him through with a sword.

Another lovely Yeoman in this episode.

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SPOCK: I object to you. I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power without constructive purpose.

TRELANE: Oh, Mister Spock, you do have one saving grace after all. You're ill-mannered.







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Oh, Mister Spock, you do have one saving grace after all. You're ill-mannered.


One of my favorite lines in all of TOS.

But remember the follow-up -

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The Human half of you, no doubt?


But there was another exchange they had on the bridge.

TRELANE: Don't fret, Captain. I'm only a bit upset with you, but this Mister Spock you mentioned, the one responsible for that unseemly, impudent act of taking you from me, which is he?

SPOCK: I am Spock.

TRELANE: Surely not an officer. He isn't quite human, is he?

SPOCK: My father is from the planet Vulcan.

TRELANE: And are its natives predatory?

SPOCK: Not generally. But there have been exceptions.

Spock played his badass card early - he was clearly annoyed by Trelane.






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Another lovely Yeoman in this episode.


She cleaned up nice.








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I suspect that the squire's powers could be overmatched by Q's powers.




In non-Canon material, Trelane is a young member of the continuum and Q is actually Trelane's mentor. So, it is apocryphal, but certainly could be. There were so many super-powerful races introduced in TOS - the closest to the Q would have been Trelane and his parents.






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This was always one of my favorites. Mostly due to the actor playing Trelane doing a great job with his character.

Kirk willing to sacrifice himself to save his ship, manipulating and goading Trelane.

But man, the sound effects when Kirk shoots the mirror machine out sounded like something from Gilligan's island. What were they thinking?







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