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We see Kirk drift a bit to obsession, almost as much as his dead friend.



Obsession is consistent with Kirk's character, generally. There is an entire episode dedicated to it (and named Obsession), and you also have his single-minded pursuit of Khan in TWOK.






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Bump for the Friday crew.





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Despite the massive plot holes I really enjoyed this episode.
Great Shakespearian elements: the play within the play, the irony and tragedy of the daughter killing the father she loved and tried so hard to save and protect from his heinous past. Kirk's struggle between his desire for revenge and his desire to preserve the presumption of innocence.







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Great Shakespearian elements: the play within the play


Because of the types of actors the whole franchise was able to attract, they were able to pull this off a little better than many shows could have.

The beauty queen was very convincing as a crazed psycho.






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*THE GALILEO SEVEN*



Spock's first command. He learns that logic does not provide an answer for every question.



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sad part is I don't know who many of these actors are although I did recognize Joan Collins.





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sad part is I don't know who many of these actors are although I did recognize Joan Collins.





That's not Joan Collins.

From left to right that's Jimmy Doohan (Mr. Scott), Phillis Douglas (Yeoman Mears), Don Marshall (Mr. Boma), Leonard Nimoy (Mr. Spock) and De Kelley (Dr. McCoy).

Rogers and Marshall were guest stars in this episode, but the other 3 were regular cast members.



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I meant in the series.





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I meant in the series.


Okay.






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This struck me as one of those "wagon Train" episodes Kafka was talking about, with Shatner in more of a supporting role, with Nimoy taking the lead and command.

I think the whole logic v emotion angle is a little overplayed. This episode kind of beat us over the head with it.

I don't like to make too much of a deal about the effects given the time of the show, but these creatures where pretty lol bad. Some of the spear throws make you think they must be terrible hunters.






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I think the whole logic v emotion angle is a little overplayed. This episode kind of beat us over the head with it.



I disagree. The point was to put Spock in command and let him see how logic isn't always the answer. He, in fact, saved the day with an irrational act that ran counter to logic.

As he said in the epilogue, he concluded that desperation was the only "logical" choice remaining.






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Shouldn't a highly intelligent, logical, well trained military officer like Spock understand that a primative species, like the type that use spears, would not act according to advanced logic?

ETA: while they've hinted at the logic v emotion debate in other episodes, this one is maybe one of the first where its the central theme so points for that. But it is an issue that is revisited many times in TOS and across the various series and not to be blasphemous, but one that was done better in TNG, perhaps because it was an andriod instead of a half human biological life form.



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but one that was done better in TNG, perhaps because it was an andriod instead of a half human biological life form.


Well, keep in mind, they wanted to embrace TOS (Big Gene was still very active at that point), but expand and put twists on things. They finally got a first officer to do first officer stuff. The captain stayed on the bridge where he belonged. And instead of a half-human trying desparately to suppress his human half, you had an android who just wanted to be more human (Pinocchio).

(Data was the best thing about TNG, by far - because of this very twist on the Spock character - this was also, to a certain degree, part of Worf's story, too, but not as overtly as it was Data's.)




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Classic episode - one of my favorites.

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SCOTT: Mister Spock, you said a while ago that there were always alternatives.
SPOCK: Did l? I may have been mistaken.
MCCOY: Well, at least I lived long enough to hear that.



Yeoman Mears

Good old' Scotty. With all the drama surrounding him, he just keeps working.

The natives in this episode were not Star Trek's best work, but they made up for it with the beautiful Galileo shuttlecraft. It still exists, and was recently restored (practically rebuilt). Here is a link to the website gallery:

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Well, keep in mind, they wanted to embrace TOS (Big Gene was still very active at that point), but expand and put twists on things.


Sure, I've always felt like TNG was just trying to improve on things in TOS, doing things they couldn't with TOS for a variety of reasons.

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Data was the best thing about TNG, by far - because of this very twist on the Spock character - this was also, to a certainly degree, part of Worf's story, too, but not as overtly as it was Data's.)


Data and Worf are easily my favorite characters from TNG






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Yeoman Mears


She (Phyllis Douglas) comes back with Charles Napier as a space hippie in Season 3.

This was supposed to be Yeoman Rand, but she had been fired at the end of the previous (production wise) episode.

It does make sense, in a Wagon Train sort of way. They couldn't afford all guest stars for such a mission (nor would we have any sort of connection with such a crew) - so we have a blended crew on the shuttle. Why the chief engineer and chief medical officer go on such a mission is beyond me, but having a generic engineer and/or doctor would have robbed us of some great dialogue and moments on the ground.

(And they would all have died because a junior engineer wouldn't have figured out how to convert the phaser energy to fuel.)



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quote: SCOTT: Mister Spock, you said a while ago that there were always alternatives. SPOCK: Did l? I may have been mistaken. MCCOY: Well, at least I lived long enough to hear that.


Great scene. Thanks. You saved me the trouble cause I was going to post the same quote.

And then there's "Yeoman are you recording this?" Yes sir. And she's sitting in the chair in that short skirt with her legs spread wide open.

Also super nova or quasar or whatever it was excellent. new CGI graphics have been really good last couple of episodes.






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Also super nova or quasar or whatever it was excellent. new CGI graphics have been really good last couple of episodes.


In particular, the space flight scenes of the shuttle, and Murasaki 312 were a significant upgrade from the originally aired episode.

In fact, during TOS' run, all footage of shuttlecraft flight and launch are recycled from The Galileo Seven - no knew shuttle sequences were filmed, although sometimes matted into different backgrounds.

The grounded shuttle set was reused in several episodes, including Metamorphasis and The Way to Eden - (which makes Phyllis Douglas - Yeoman Mears - the only non-regular to make 2 appearances in the grounded shuttle set, as she was a space hippie in The Way to Eden.)







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Some of Spock's command decisions didn't seem logical in this episode. I was particularly put off by him making that security officer stay behind after the natives had prooven themselves very capable and violent hunters.

What was his motivation to leave one person behind when that very tactic didn't work previously? I suspect he was trying to cull the heard so he wouldn't have to make that difficult decision of who to leave behind.






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What was his motivation to leave one person behind when that very tactic didn't work previously? I suspect he was trying to cull the heard so he wouldn't have to make that difficult decision of who to leave behind.


and why was he so opposed to killing the natives? He was gun ho to kill Mitchell but won't shoot primative hunters that have killed one crew member and threaten all of them.






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