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dominustd
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The problem is the fact that the state recognizes who's married. It's none of their damn business.


Or divorce, or adoptions, or polygamy, etc. Yeah, let's not regulate that to a degree out of common sense.

But, are you the guy that agreed w/ the SC DOMA decision? Let gays have their marriage, it's for liberty?






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GoBigOrange86
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But, are you the guy that agreed w/ the SC DOMA decision?


I agree with the ruling in principle if not in practice. IF the state is going to provide people with economic incentives to enter into marriage, they cannot deny those incentives to people on the basis of their sexual orientation, gender, race, or whatever.

But the fact is, I don't think the state should provide people with economic incentives to marry. Marriage is too sacred to sully with government interference.






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dominustd
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Looks like you are doing some re-interpreting of your own:

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13

Various other translations linked here.


You just proved yourself to be ignorant about Christian teachings. Obviously you are "re-interpreting on your own."






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dominustd
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But the fact is, I don't think the state should provide people with economic incentives to marry. Marriage is too sacred to sully with government interference.


Then surely you should be absolutely against gay marriage for your reasoning.

The only "liberties" gays are losing out on. But not liberties, just stupid tax laws EVERYBODY gets helped and hurt by.






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GoBigOrange86
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Then surely you should be absolutely against gay marriage for your reasoning.


Strictly speaking, I am against state-sanctioned gay marriage and state-sanctioned heterosexual marriage.






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tigersaint26
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Leviticus is Old Testament and in the New Testament there is no mention of someone needing to be put to death over it. It is said that it is deserving of death but they can repent and be forgiven.

This thread will become one of people saying the Bible is stories and fiction and others will defend it till the end. These threads always run the same path. It all depends on the place your moral values come from.






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Strictly speaking, I am against state-sanctioned gay marriage and state-sanctioned heterosexual marriage.


I agree with this too. My reasoning is that if we can't have that, then you can't deny the same rights of state sanctioned marriage to homosexuals as well. Govt cannot discriminate in the public sector at all.






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dominustd
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Strictly speaking, I am against state-sanctioned gay marriage and state-sanctioned heterosexual marriage.


Because of tax/benefit laws?

I think the "state" given incentives for monogamous procreating relationships is a good thing.

Like giving tax breaks for businesses that grow the city and state.

This offers more liberty than gov't sanctioned gay marriage where it will eventually be nationalized and force church marriages.

I will not budge. So, agree to disagree.






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SammyTiger
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What people who are pushing for gay marriage don't get about churches is that churches are there to set moral boundaries. Those boundaries should not twist in the wind to suit the latest polling data. God gave us Ten Commandments, not a few pretty good ideas that we ought to try once in a while when it's convenient for us.


Which one says gays can't marry or anything about homosexuality? I am talking about the ten commandments. There are a lot of rules in the Torah. This is one people have kept and latched onto where as others get thrown out. I don't know why



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GoBigOrange86
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I think the "state" given incentives for monogamous procreating relationships is a good thing.


Yes, a lot of people are convinced that THEIR state incentives (or laws, or penalties, or what have you) are a good thing. And they may be right. But, I do not believe they have the authority, any of them, to force people to abide by their version of what the world ought to be. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.

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it will eventually be nationalized and force church marriages.


I worry about this, too, and I will stand with you against it. I'm not saying I had some great choices in this:

A) State Sanctioned Discriminatory Marriage

B) State Sanctioned Somewhat Less Discriminatory Marriage

I chose B, not because I thought it was ideal, but because I thought it would get us somewhat closer to the ideal.

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I will not budge. So, agree to disagree.


Nor will I. As a Christian, my highest goal for me and my fellow man is salvation. But as an American, my highest goal for other citizens is the liberty to live their lives as they want to, whether I think it's a good idea or not. If I cannot persuade people to come to Christ willingly, I am not going to persuade them through government action, and I must never try to do so.






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foshizzle
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You just proved yourself to be ignorant about Christian teachings. Obviously you are "re-interpreting on your own."



Nope, I'm simply pointing out the obvious fact that today's Christian denominations quite eagerly do their own interpreting.

Frankly, I'm glad they do and would be horrified if they didn't. But let's be honest about it - yes, modern Christian teaching involves quite a bit of progressive reinterpretation.






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battscave
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modern Christian teaching involves quite a bit of progressive reinterpretation.
Casting a wide net there don't you think. The ones who do that, I wouldn't necessarily call them Christian. If they defy Christ, they don't represent him or his name.
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What churches simply dont get on Gay Marriage
Tell that to Sodom and Gomorrah.






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dominustd
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Yes, a lot of people are convinced that THEIR state incentives (or laws, or penalties, or what have you) are a good thing. And they may be right. But, I do not believe they have the authority, any of them, to force people to abide by their version of what the world ought to be. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.


You are so full of Jeffersonian contradictions in that quote it's not funny.

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B) State Sanctioned Somewhat Less Discriminatory Marriage

I chose B, not because I thought it was ideal, but because I thought it would get us somewhat closer to the ideal.


Wait, a "liberal" christian answer you just gave, (Hmmmm, liberal in conservative clothing, you are....)

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Nor will I. As a Christian, my highest goal for me and my fellow man is salvation. But as an American, my highest goal for other citizens is the liberty to live their lives as they want to, whether I think it's a good idea or not. If I cannot persuade people to come to Christ willingly, I am not going to persuade them through government action, and I must never try to do so.


Yet you support the SC DOMA decision?

Do you support a state's right or not?






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GoBigOrange86
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Do you support a state's right or not?


A state's right to discriminate? No. I don't support the right of any government to discriminate.

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You are so full of Jeffersonian contradictions in that quote it's not funny.


How do you mean?

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Wait, a "liberal" christian answer you just gave, (Hmmmm, liberal in conservative clothing, you are....)


I like to think of myself as a liberal in the classical sense. I don't think the government should tell people what to do.

God gave us free will for a reason. It is not the function of government in a FREE society to tell people what "marriage" means.






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dominustd
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God gave us free will for a reason. It is not the function of government in a FREE society to tell people what "marriage" means.


God told us exactly what "marriage" means. Exact. You have issues w/ HIM?






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dantes69
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it is not up to any government to change the meaning of a word that has been around thousands of years before said government came into existence.





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GoBigOrange86
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God told us exactly what "marriage" means. Exact. You have issues w/ HIM?


GOD told us. Not GOVERNMENT. Had government never been involved in the marriage business, this would not be an issue. Marriage would not be undergoing redefinition.

Do you think the marriages occurring in this country today fall under what God meant by marriage? People getting married in a drive-thru by an Elvis lookalike? Is that what He meant?

You call me a liberal in conservative's clothing, but you have more in common with modern liberals than I EVER will. I don't doubt your sincerity. You claim to have God on your side. But, likewise, to use a more left-wing example, environmentalists commonly claim to have science on their side, and they use it to justify forcing the rest of the world to think like they do. That's not free will. That's not choice.

I am a Christian because I believe so deeply in Christ's message of love and peace. I am a Christian because I love Jesus, not because I'm afraid of what will happen if I disobey Him. And I don't need any government to tell me that I must abide by God's laws. I can do that on my own.



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I do not support nor condone homosexual behavior but in 'the world' this statement holds true.,

"the recognition by the state of who’s married is not a religious question.”


I would not vote for it but would have to live with it as part of 'the world'






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S.E.C. Crazy
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There is nowhere that separation of church and state is mentioned in the constitution, it just a figment of your imagination.

The establisment clause only prohibits the state from establishing a state religion.

Since intent is the ultimate goal, I think the STUPID COMMUNIST judges should take into account the framers actions, they prayed in congress and taught the bible in school , like usual you are wrong.

The real crux of the matter is homosexual pervs trying to indoctrinate school children with the homosexual agenda.I have learned of another case where 2 NY girls told their parents they felt humiliated because they were forced to stand on stage and ask each other for a date & kiss..... these girls parents say they were traumatized , yet you endose this BS...... When the push back comes its going to blow your mind.

What about high school kids getting the “ Little black book ” classy isn't it REXXIE ? Teaches kids about fisting, ask if they swallow and shows 2 naked men placing condoms on their ####$.


And in other states unlike MASS. & NY where the homosexuals don't have as strong a foothold, WARNING PARENTS, they are using the “ Anti Bullying curriculum” in these states to push their homosexual agenda. You see, the left manufactures a crisis, in this case bullying, and then they implement a solution to the crisis which is always just an element of their social or policy agenda.







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What commandment covers homosexuality?

BTW, if that's the standard why isn't adultery illegal?






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