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Elcid96
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My guess is they won't press it bc it will appear the reps are attacking instead of fact finding. The media will feed into the frenzy and agree and the citizens get screwed again.





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BBONDS25
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Maybe. I think they smell blood in the water. Fwiw I don't thin the Obama admin will be implicated...but I do think its important to know all the details.





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Decatur
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Lois Lerner is lucky that she’s testifying at a congressional hearing rather than at a criminal trial. In a courtroom, if Lerner were a defendant, then she couldn’t have simply read an “opening statement” and then refused to testify further; her statement would’ve “opened the door” to questioning about the subjects she raised (and then there are further wrinkles in civil, as opposed to criminal, cases). Before the House Oversight Committee, however, Lerner is merely a witness at an investigative hearing—and one compelled to attend by subpoena, no less—so she can “selectively” invoke her Fifth Amendment right not to answer particular questions that may incriminate her or to cut off questioning altogether.

Still, Lerner said four things that should pique Congress’s interest: (1) “I have not done anything wrong.”; (2) “I have not broken any laws.”; (3) “I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations.”; and (4) “I have not provided false information to this or any other committee.” The committee should do all it can to investigate Lerner’s understanding of the laws and regulations she was applying, and how her previous oral and written testimony comport with the IRS malfeasance under review.

It certainly looks fishy that Lerner has decided not to answer questions on these issues, but Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) can’t force her to do so.

What he can do is call Lerner back and have her prior testimony read, asking how her current knowledge of what went on compares to her earlier statements – and any other questions the committee has. This would force her to “plead the Fifth” on every question, which would put pressure on the IRS and its political masters, even if Lerner doesn’t have to answer. He could also, now if there’s enough evidence of wrongdoing already or later if there will be by the end of the investigation, move for a criminal indictment.


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I guess the crim indict is they find wrongdoing in her actions at IRS, not her appearance in front of Congress






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Elcid96
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Yeah it would be nice to know all the details, last time I checked they work for the public. I don't care what side of the road politically anyone is on this shite is nuts.

It's a if their power has never been checked.






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BBONDS25
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I was thinking more along the lines of contempt. Who would she appeal to?





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BBONDS25
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I don't see how anyone would be against all the facts coming out.





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Elcid96
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Good read. However, there is much written against that logic. In a nutshell you coul ask 3 lawyers and get 3 different answers.





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Elcid96
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The hacks don't want it all to come out. It's a joke nowadays. I am a conservative but know their are flat out POS who claim to be conservatives and if they break the law I want them brought out and hung. I just get tired of the our side is filled with Angels of te pure white driven snow bs.





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Decatur
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Yeah it would be nice to know all the details, last time I checked they work for the public


If there were so many politicians calling for criminal charges against me I'd be taking the Fifth too, even if I knew I didn't do anything wrong. I'd certainly advise a client to do it.

I think we are seeing more of the details now






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Decatur
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In a nutshell you coul ask 3 lawyers and get 3 different answers.


But isn't that always the case



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Elcid96
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That's why their lawyers, they get paid to give an opinion.





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Interception
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Anyone with any understanding of law would know that getting up and professing one’s innocence and denying that they have done nothing wrong, invites further inspection to the details you are supposedly responsible for overseeing. Her lawyer should have made any opening comments and left her to evoke the 5th.

The Fifth is not intended to allow you to tell your side and then not be questioned. It's not even a statement of innocence. It's to assert that you have the right to not make the case for the prosecution by incriminating yourself.






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