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Quentin Compson
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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there will never be the kind of "freedom" you seem to be in pursuit of.
I have been told by previous citizens that command economies made life easier for them.






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HempHead
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The price system is very unfair for a person who labors for little capital.


Why is it unfair?






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HempHead
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I have been told by previous citizens that command economies made life easier for them


It's rather easy to be told what to do, and how to live. Deciding for yourself is tough work.






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Jake88
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I have been told by previous citizens that command economies made life easier for them.





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Let me guess, you're a sophmore philosophy major


O.K. nailed it.






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Quentin Compson
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Why is it unfair?
Because things like cars, education, and a dwelling are often unattainable, solely because of how many little green papers are in the wallet.






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Quentin Compson
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


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It's rather easy to be told what to do, and how to live.
Maybe, but they never knew the words "want", "need" or "unaffordable".






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Jake88
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Because things like cars, education, and a dwelling are often unattainable, solely because of how many little green papers are in the wallet


That's what makes one free?



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HempHead
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Because things like cars, education, and a dwelling are often unattainable, solely because of how many little green papers are in the wallet.


Are these services and products we are entitled to?

Let's forget the fact that the existence of private property and the price system allow these things to come about in the first place.






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Quentin Compson
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That's what makes one free?
It's one aspect of freedom.






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HempHead
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Maybe, but they never knew the words "want", "need" or "unaffordable"


Who are these former residents you are referring to?

Former residents of Cambodia, perhaps, or survivors from Soviet Ukraine?






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Jake88
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Maybe, but they never knew the words "want", "need" or "unaffordable".


Are you serious? USSR? Cuba? Cambodia? China?






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HempHead
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It's one aspect of freedom.


What other aspects of freedom are there?







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mograyback
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


We are not free to do what we want within our own consciousness.

Think about that for one second... then think about how free you are.






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Jake88
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It's one aspect of freedom.


No. It's not at all. As I said earlier those actually burden you.






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Quentin Compson
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Are you serious? USSR? Cuba? Cambodia? China?
They had VERY dull lives, and they never experienced the technology we had, but their well-being was not determined by the arbitrary number of green pieces of paper in their wallet.






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HempHead
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but their well-being was not determined by the arbitrary number of green pieces of paper in their wallet.


Rather, by the competency of technocrats whose jobs are inherently impossible to the difficulty of economic calculation in a socialist commonwealth.






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memphis tiger
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No, all I am saying is that the price system forces us to work in order to maintain happiness.


Am I misunderstanding you?

You think "freedom"="getting free shite without having to work or pay for it"?

If so you are stupid beyond belief and a people like you are what is wrong with this country.

If not,please clarify what you mean.






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Patrick O Rly
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re: Is freedom often an illusion?


I've noticed a concerning trend among young people that freedom is an illusion. The troubling part is their conclusion: freedom is an illusion so all ur rights belong to us.

There are many forms of capitalism, and I'm not i'm not a fan of our current form. Government regulation makes the cost of doing business so expensive that only a select number of companies can survive a down turn. Competition is stifled. I believe you should be able to sell anything you want out of home. frick the man.

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Man is born naked into the world, and needing to use his mind to learn how to take the resources given him by nature, and to transform them (for example, by investment in "capital") into shapes and forms and places where the resources can be used for the satisfaction of his wants and the advancement of his standard of living. The only way by which man can do this is by the use of his mind and energy to transform resources ("production") and to exchange these products for products created by others. Man has found that, through the process of voluntary, mutual exchange, the productivity and hence the living standards of all participants in exchange may increase enormously.


-Murray Rothbard "Anatomy of the State"

You pointed to healthcare, and that's an interesting topic. It use to be relatively cheap. Doctors made a practice of treating their poorer patients for free. There were more charity hospitals. Now it's a giant mess of bureaucratic red tape. It's nearly impossible for the average person to pay their medical bills for a procedure out of pocket. Government created this problem, and they came to the rescue when cost inflated.

Student loans is another prime example.

Peter Schiff on how government programs drive up tuition cost

When you think about the current set up, it should make your blood boil: a government claims to rule on your behalf, and yet almost everything they do makes things more expensive, which destroys your income and makes you poorer. It then steals more money from you, or borrows and prints it, so that it can give relief from the negative side effects of it's policies. They call it compassion. It's a fricking racket.

Meanwhile it wages endless, pointless wars, and military contractors and weapons manufacturers are making money hand over fist. It's a war on "terror," with no uniformed men, and no one who can surrender to us.

We pump money year in and year out into a failing, bloated education system that you pay for whether you have a child or not, or whether your child attends a public school or not. The schools are glorified child care, and we're having to import a lot of our grad students from other countries.

They lie to our faces and we know it. They make promises they don't keep they. They rule over you whether you vote or not. And yet people still have the nerve to say we are the government. Utter bull shite. They're not us, and we are not them.



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Jake88
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but their well-being was not determined by the arbitrary number of green pieces of paper in their wallet.


Are you kidding? Do you think those in government suffered starvation or waited days in bread lines like the masses? Do you think the subjects lived as long as those who governed?






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Quentin Compson
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You think "freedom"="getting free shite without having to work or pay for it"?
Working doesn't ensure access to all goods. Most people who work cannot afford a yacht or a Porsche.






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