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re: The OFFICIAL Man of Steel Discussion and ***SPOILERS*** Thread
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:06 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:06 pm to Sentrius
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I'm just happy they gave us that. It set the tone for what we should expect in the sequel and and beyond.
I mean, I don't see where you can take it from here. You can't make Lex or really any of the earthbound current antagonists the main villain. You either go the alien invasion route again (which is repetitive) or you have to make up your own villain for the second one.
Right now, I've been writing a Superman trilogy as a hobby (among other original scripts). First one Metallo and Lex are the main villains, but Lex gets away with it and is elected president. The third film I have Brainiac. But the second film I just had to make up an antagonist for it. Superman is incredibly lacking a solely earthbound villain that is entirely a global threat. Lex, sure to some extent, but he does see himself as the champion for humanity and he can't typically fight Superman toe-to-toe. Metallo, Parasite, Livewire, Atomic Skull, and Bizzaro are not worldwide threats and more just get in fights with Superman. It's something that is crucially lacking from Superman's rouge gallery and to the big ones like Darkseid and Brainiac, Earth is a pretty minor prize for them. Superman desperately needs a villain who doesn't give a damn about the stars, can kick his arse, and wants to take over the world.
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BTW, I sent you an email with relevant info.
About to check it.
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Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:07 pm to Sentrius
I just got home from watching it. I really enjoyed it. I would have liked to see the young Kal-El land on Earth and be discovered but we've all seen that in the Richard Donner film so I really didn't have a problem with flashbacks to where Clark was young, instead of seeing him grow to adulthood.
Thought the FX were amazing, I thought Cavill made a great Superman. Really enjoyed Russell Crowe as Jor-El.
It was moving, at least for me, when they showed the overpass part with a maturing Clark arguing. I'm trying to keep it vague so I don't ruin it for those that haven't seen the movie yet.
As I watched it, I started to think,"well, what about Clark? The geeky Clark Kent?"
Spoilers*******
Thought the ending was really good. Again, I'm trying to be vague.
Yes, lots of CGI but it didn't bother me. It was visually exciting. It was a little long but it didn't seem to drag on.
I really liked it. I'll definitely be buying it when it comes out.
Thought the FX were amazing, I thought Cavill made a great Superman. Really enjoyed Russell Crowe as Jor-El.
It was moving, at least for me, when they showed the overpass part with a maturing Clark arguing. I'm trying to keep it vague so I don't ruin it for those that haven't seen the movie yet.
As I watched it, I started to think,"well, what about Clark? The geeky Clark Kent?"
Spoilers*******
Thought the ending was really good. Again, I'm trying to be vague.
Yes, lots of CGI but it didn't bother me. It was visually exciting. It was a little long but it didn't seem to drag on.
I really liked it. I'll definitely be buying it when it comes out.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:19 pm to OMLandshark
BTW, I'm glad Lara played a bigger role than she usually does.
She's one of the most under represented parts of the Superman Mythos.
I just wish she was a hologram with Jor-El as well so Kal-El could meet her as well.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:21 pm to Sentrius
Do you agree with my point on that being a key type of villain Superman is missing in his rouge gallery?
EDIT: and yeah, I'm happy they represented Lara as well.
EDIT: and yeah, I'm happy they represented Lara as well.
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:28 pm to OMLandshark
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Do you agree with my point on that being a key type of villain Superman is missing in his rouge gallery?
Yes.
This is probably the only part of the Superman Mythos that is a tad weak and needs improving. Batman has the better rogues gallery and that's a basis in some people's arguements on why he's the better superhero/character. (I disagree with them BTW) Batman's arch nemesis is the Joker and that's undisputed. Superman's arch nemesis varies. It's lex, Zod, brainiac or Darkseid.,
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:43 pm to Sentrius
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It's lex, Zod, brainiac or Darkseid.,
Zod is mostly just in the movies where it's disputable. As big of a threat as Brainiac is, I think he's a step below Darkseid and Lex as far as personal archenemies is concerned.
But tell me if this sounds like a good villain, which I've made up from scratch. He's born from the Chernobyl disaster, and was radioactive in the womb, killing his mother in the process. His powers are to absorb, project, and manipulate all types of energy, including atomic (basically an even more powerful Sebastian Shaw). The Soviets find him when he's in his youth, and surrender the Cold War due to the fact that they think that once he's fully under their control and fully understand how to control his powers, they'll be able to reclaim the Empire. That doesn't go according to plan, and he escapes, eventually hunting down all those responsible for his capture and experiments on him.
He begins to try and found a religion around him, but is instantly pissed off when he perceives that Superman has done it through good deeds, and then makes it his main goal to destroy his image as he tries to take over the world. Basically he's the man that Lex Luthor fears Superman is deep down and will become.
How does that sound?
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:56 pm to OMLandshark
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But tell me if this sounds like a good villain, which I've made up from scratch. He's born from the Chernobyl disaster, and was radioactive in the womb, killing his mother in the process. His powers are to absorb, project, and manipulate all types of energy, including atomic (basically an even more powerful Sebastian Shaw). The Soviets find him when he's in his youth, and surrender the Cold War due to the fact that they think that once he's fully under their control and fully understand how to control his powers, they'll be able to reclaim the Empire. That doesn't go according to plan, and he escapes, eventually hunting down all those responsible for his capture and experiments on him.
He begins to try and found a religion around him, but is instantly pissed off when he perceives that Superman has done it through good deeds, and then makes it his main goal to destroy his image as he tries to take over the world. Basically he's the man that Lex Luthor fears Superman is deep down and will become.
Sounds like a smarter Parasite, Joker mixed with Sebastian Shaw with an even deeper understanding on what it takes to be a great villain. He's feasible.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 12:06 am to Sentrius
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Sounds like a smarter Parasite, Joker mixed with Sebastian Shaw with an even deeper understanding on what it takes to be a great villain. He's feasible.
Haven't really gotten the Parasite vibe from him, but the Joker is definitely something I looked for in him. He's definitely not the jovial or funny type, but he would give Superman impossible ethical situations, both of which would make him look terrible. He knows if he outright destroys Superman, then it's nuclear war and the world is finished, but he needs to instead destroy Superman's reputation as he slowly eats away at the world.
This post was edited on 6/28/13 at 12:25 am
Posted on 6/28/13 at 12:18 am to OMLandshark
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Haven't really gotten the Parasite vibe from him, but the Joker is definitely something I looked for in him. He's definitely not the jovial or funny type like, but he would give Superman impossible ethical situations, both of which would make him look terrible. He knows if he outright destroys Superman, then it's nuclear war and the world is finished, but he needs to instead destroy Superman's reputation as he slowly eats away at the world.
Man, I wish DC would come up with a villain like this for Supes but I think we're about 40 years too late to develop a villain like this. A villain for a movie like Man of Steel and Nolan's trilogy require a quite a bit of source material to be successful and taken seriously.
BTW, I want to share a Superman fanfic you would have a ball reading. It's massive and each chapter takes over an hour to read. I'll email you a link.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 12:35 am to Sentrius
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Man, I wish DC would come up with a villain like this for Supes but I think we're about 40 years too late to develop a villain like this. A villain for a movie like Man of Steel and Nolan's trilogy require a quite a bit of source material to be successful and taken seriously.
I kind of disagree with this. Really, Superman's rouge gallery isn't that well known to the general public. Really all most people know is Lex Luthor, Zod, and Doomsday. Doomsday is only 20 years old now, and in my opinion probably Superman's shittiest villain. Sure he's strong as hell, but I think that literally anyone on the planet could have come up with his character. He's not interesting in the slightest and has absolutely no personality, which is why I hope Nolan stays away from him.
Batman has a very well known rouge gallery, but the only well known members they used were Joker, Two Face, and Catwoman. The others were completely obscure to the average person, even though he mostly faced off against his greatest villains during Nolan's series.
Therefore I think it's perfectly acceptable for someone with absolutely no history to come in and be the main villain. The audience isn't going to give a shite for the most part since they don't really know any of Superman's rouge gallery, and fans will be happy if they introduce a villain like that that is desperately missing from Superman's rouge gallery.
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BTW, I want to share a Superman fanfic you would have a ball reading. It's massive and each chapter takes over an hour to read. I'll email you a link.
I'm definitely down.
This post was edited on 6/28/13 at 12:36 am
Posted on 6/28/13 at 1:05 am to Sentrius
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I don't mind Supes killing Zod at all. I think this made it pretty clear that they're taking Superman in a different direction and and I welcome the attempt on a new take and point of view on Superman.
the more I think about it, the more sense it makes to me (if done properly)
we did see his initial grief which we (and those who are new to Superman) are allowed to interpret however we like. So we at least know he's bothered by it.
But now, you can actual use that as a major point moving forward in the movies. He makes an actual decision not to kill or whatever. It's an actual character development that we can follow and see tested.
The hardest thing with Superman once he's established, is what do you do with him? How do you show any growth or change or anything that keeps people interested? This is actually something now.
There were a lot of things they fricked up in this movie, but I really don't think this was one of them.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 1:07 am to OMLandshark
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I kind of disagree with this. Really, Superman's rouge gallery isn't that well known to the general public. Really all most people know is Lex Luthor, Zod, and Doomsday. Doomsday is only 20 years old now, and in my opinion probably Superman's shittiest villain. Sure he's strong as hell, but I think that literally anyone on the planet could have come up with his character. He's not interesting in the slightest and has absolutely no personality, which is why I hope Nolan stays away from him.
This is true.
DC basically invented Doomsday to actually kill Superman in a way that was believable and not cliched like Kryptonite would have been. It worked and Superman was more popular than ever in the wake of those comics.
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Batman has a very well known rouge gallery, but the only well known members they used were Joker, Two Face, and Catwoman. The others were completely obscure to the average person, even though he mostly faced off against his greatest villains during Nolan's series.
True.
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Therefore I think it's perfectly acceptable for someone with absolutely no history to come in and be the main villain. The audience isn't going to give a shite for the most part since they don't really know any of Superman's rouge gallery, and fans will be happy if they introduce a villain like that that is desperately missing from Superman's rouge gallery.
I'm just skeptical about an idea like this working on the big screen. Would the Superman/Doomsday success scenario translate well to the movies? I don't know.
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I'm definitely down.
YGM.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 1:12 am to Sentrius
btw we all realize how crucial this next movie is right? Like if they don't make up for the problems from the first and get it right, this franchise will die off again?
Simply taking away the will they/won't they dynamic from Clark and Lois is a major loss. It's like starting on Season 5 of the Office.
There's lots of good directions they can go with Clark & Superman but if you frick up Lois and Lex in this next one, it could bomb hard.
Simply taking away the will they/won't they dynamic from Clark and Lois is a major loss. It's like starting on Season 5 of the Office.
There's lots of good directions they can go with Clark & Superman but if you frick up Lois and Lex in this next one, it could bomb hard.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 1:14 am to LfcSU3520
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we did see his initial grief which we (and those who are new to Superman) are allowed to interpret however we like. So we at least know he's bothered by it.
Even with this new direction, we know that Supes will do whatever he can to being forced to kill. So yeah, he's still fricking upset about it.
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But now, you can actual use that as a major point moving forward in the movies. He makes an actual decision not to kill or whatever. It's an actual character development that we can follow and see tested.
In the context of that situation that Supes killed Zod in, it's a good bet many other versions of Superman in the comics would've made the same call.
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The hardest thing with Superman once he's established, is what do you do with him? How do you show any growth or change or anything that keeps people interested? This is actually something now.
This is going to be a more pragmatic version of Suoerman, I think that much is clear by now.
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There were a lot of things they fricked up in this movie, but I really don't think this was one of them.
Agreed.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 1:20 am to LfcSU3520
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btw we all realize how crucial this next movie is right? Like if they don't make up for the problems from the first and get it right, this franchise will die off again?
It's very crucial. Determines the future of a Justice League movie.
It depends on how much Nolan is going to be involved in this and what parts of the story is going to have his fingerprints on. If the sequel is like this one, this will still be an above average franchise.
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Simply taking away the will they/won't they dynamic from Clark and Lois is a major loss. It's like starting on Season 5 of the Office.
I really hope this isn't them being extreme in trying to distance itself from previous versions like Returns, Smallville and the Donner universe.
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There's lots of good directions they can go with Clark & Superman but if you frick up Lois and Lex in this next one, it could bomb hard.
Lois will be about the same I'm afraid and who knows about Lex.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 2:11 am to Sentrius
just got back from seeing this movie. Don't understand the hate it got. It was a pretty good Superman film. Superman has always had a strong sci-fi element to it.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 2:39 am to RonBurgundy
I don't know many of supermans villians so I had to do a google search these are the 10 most notable villians according to most websites
lex
brainiac
bizarro
darkseid
doomsday
zod
mxyzptlk
mongul
parasite
metallo
lex
brainiac
bizarro
darkseid
doomsday
zod
mxyzptlk
mongul
parasite
metallo
Posted on 6/28/13 at 2:46 am to bulldog95
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mxyzptlk
More of a pest than actual villain.
Replace him with Ultraman and you're good.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 4:07 am to bulldog95
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lex
brainiac
doomsday
mongul
parasite
metallo
Many great sequels can be made with these 6.
Parasite and Metallo would be good sidekick/henchman type villains that Lex controls but Doomsday, Mongul and his war planet, and Braniac could easily carry their own films.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 5:43 am to OMLandshark
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rouge gallery
dammit OML, it's rogue(s) gallery. I expect better from you. and it's annoying me (you got it on here like 10 times), so spell it correctly.
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