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The Importance of Camp Evaluations and Offers

Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:45 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:45 pm
There are some people that seem to be underwhelmed by guys that we offer when they earn an offer at one of our camps.

Sure, every kid can be seen on tape, at their practice, or at their games, but evaluations have to go further than that. These camps are an opportunity for guys that may have the talent to play at LSU to prove that they have the other intangibles to be an asset to the team.

LSU coaches are able to eliminate all the variables they have to work around when doing off site evals. Camps let them control the level of competition. Camps allow the coaches to put prospects through specific drills and evaluate from there. They can see how coachable a kid is and what kind of attitude he displays when he's being taught. They can evaluate the competitive nature of a kid in person, under pressure.

While the camps are huge for evaluating skills, they provide an even bigger opportunity for the coaches to evaluate the things that take place on the practice field from week to week that determine whether or not a player can be successful.

So, when a little thought of kid jumps onto the radar and earns an offer at camp, it's because he's shown that he meets several qualifications that the coaches look for in a player. Camp offers generally don't have anything to do with any other prospects situation, only the kid that earned the offer. It means that he's proved himself worthy, not that our coaches are scared we're going to lose out on another kid.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:53 pm to
Amen....I reckon this was aimed at people disappointed the new kid only has 3 stars...

keep it real
Posted by whodidthat
Member since Aug 2011
5896 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:05 pm to
Dropping the truth on some of these fools
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:11 pm to
Wonderful, wonderful post.
Posted by jrevonte
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1801 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:16 pm to
So what do you think about a higher profile kid(kid with 8-10 major BCS offers) who won't come to camp until he is offered?
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 7:18 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79042 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:22 pm to
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So what do you think about a higher profile kid(kid with 8-10 major BCS offers) who won't come to camp until he is offered?


I would say they're passing up their best opportunity to earn an LSU offer. If that's something they truly covet, they're going about getting it in a strange, misguided way.
Posted by redfieldk717
Alec Box
Member since Oct 2011
28117 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:25 pm to
quote:

So what do you think about a higher profile kid(kid with 8-10 major BCS offers) who won't come to camp until he is offered?


would this even happen?
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14606 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:26 pm to
Yes. It's happened many times before. I know Brandon Harris said he wouldn't come without a offer.
Posted by jrevonte
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1801 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

I would say they're passing up their best opportunity to earn an LSU offer. If that's something they truly covet, they're going about getting it in a strange, misguided way.


Really? LSU and every other school offers kids outside of camp all the time. Why should a higher profile kid who can camp at other major BCS schools have to come and camp first? It would seem to me that if Bama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Florida have already offered then a school that wants the kid should show some incentive to get him in. An offer and a request to camp would do just that IMO. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
Posted by redfieldk717
Alec Box
Member since Oct 2011
28117 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

Yes. It's happened many times before. I know Brandon Harris said he wouldn't come without a offer.


but he got his offer anyway...
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12447 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

An offer and a request to camp would do just that IMO. Please tell me if I'm wrong.


1. A good coach would not care if jesus offered, he would be interested in his own opinion.

2. An offer is up to the discretion of the program, period. They must be sure of their offers because their spots are limited, and the truly poor form move, is giving an offer, then having to take it away.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79042 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

Really?

Yes. Really. You asked a question that was only tangentially related to what I posted in the first place. I gave you my opinion and for some reason you want to be argumentative about it.

I honestly don't really give a flying frick what the coaches at Bama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, and Florida think. They aren't evaluating players on how well they would fit at LSU.

And I also never said that every kid has to camp before getting an offer. I said their best opportunity to get an offer would be to compete at camp. By saying 'best opportunity' it necessitates that there are other opportunities.

quote:

Please tell me if I'm wrong.

I don't know if you're wrong or not, but you definitely did not grasp anything I wrote in the OP.
Posted by jrevonte
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1801 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

1. A good coach would not care if jesus offered, he would be interested in his own opinion.

2. An offer is up to the discretion of the program, period. They must be sure of their offers because their spots are limited, and the truly poor form move, is giving an offer, then having to take it away.


I hear you but considering that Jabrill Peppers, Kizer, Harris were all offered without camping your logic is just a little flawed...

It's possible that none of these kids will sign with the Tigers so what was wrong with offering them first then getting them down to visit or camp. In fact I think that this is the way that the process goes...especially since they are coming from so far away...please correct me if I'm wrong...
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62285 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

compete at camp


Here's where I have a problem. What you do and how you look in a t shirt and shorts shouldn't be the deciding factor of whether you receive an offer to play football. Film should be the number 1 determining factor IMO. Not talking about the young man today. Just my general feelings on camp offers.
Posted by jrevonte
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1801 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

I don't know if you're wrong or not, but you definitely did not grasp anything I wrote in the OP.


Since I don't know the tone with which you speak I won't assume that you are being argumentative. ( like you have done to me) I understood completely what you're saying. Apparently you missed my "higher profile Kids with 8-10 BCS offers part"

This is what I'm mean...suppose LSU wants a kid to come to camp but has not offered( I'm using LSU as an example. I'm not speaking specifically about the tigers) the Kid has an offer from Bama together with other major programs. Bama wants the Kid to come to camp as well...we all know LSU and Bama's summer camps are scheduled at the same time....The kid and his family decide that they are going to Bama to workout for that staff...if LSU truly believes that the kid can help the program why shouldn't they offer the kid then Request that he come to camp to be evaluated? It seems to me that the offer would incentivize the request to camp. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79042 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

Here's where I have a problem. What you do and how you look in a t shirt and shorts shouldn't be the deciding factor of whether you receive an offer to play football. Film should be the number 1 determining factor IMO.


Couple questions. Did you completely ignore everything I wrote in the OP? And do you honestly think that any kid that earns an offer at camp has not also been evaluated on film?
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79042 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

Apparently you missed my "higher profile Kids with 8-10 BCS offers part"

No. I saw it. I even referenced it when I said you asked a question only tangentially related to what I wrote.

I already gave you my opinion on your diversion from the topic at hand.

quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong.

This phrase is tired.
Posted by jrevonte
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1801 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:11 pm to
You're PMSing tonight I'm gonna let you go lil dude.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79042 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:13 pm to
Good. Maybe someone that actually wants to discuss the topic of this thread will now join in.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12447 posts
Posted on 6/10/13 at 8:15 pm to
quote:

I hear you but considering that Jabrill Peppers, Kizer, Harris were all offered without camping your logic is just a little flawed...


My two numbered points about offers made no statements concerning offering with or with a camp. Your reading comprehension is flawed if your think my logic is flawed based solely on what I wrote.
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