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As far as sending boots on the ground I think the military has a better grip on that than you or I.


Apparently seven were able to get there.

I agree a reinforcing element from out of country would have been difficult and even hazardous to get them to the fight.

The SOF element in Tripoli? No excuse.






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They could see but there could have been 100's more waiting for US reinforcements to mount a counter offensive. We could have sent troops but there were too many variables for the military to green light a rescue mission.


Wait. If the assumption at the time was that a protest caused by a video somehow morphed into a deadly attack on the consulate, why would they assume that these "protesters" had hundreds lying in wait to ambush a rescue force. That would certainly be a concern if this was thought to be a pre-planned and coordinated attack. But not something you'd really be concerned about with a riot gone bad.






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Wait. If the assumption at the time was that a protest caused by a video somehow morphed into a deadly attack on the consulate, why would they assume that these "protesters" had hundreds lying in wait to ambush a rescue force. That would certainly be a concern if this was thought to be a pre-planned and coordinated attack. But not something you'd really be concerned about with a riot gone bad.


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Wolfhound45


I read you're link. I am correct in assuming that MSD teams are from the diplomatic security agency, or whatever it's called? And am I also correct in my understanding that all three were pulled prior to the attack and the SOF team in Tripoli was preparing to leave early. And all of that happened I a country that was in the middle of a civil war, where gunfights occurred daily, the British ambassador had recently been attacked, and local DOS officials had requested to keep the security they had or even have it beefed up.

I apologize for my ignorance. Most on this board have followed the details of this much closer than I have a nd I'm playing catch up.






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I am not sure. I am thinking it is a DOS term. Never heard it in DOD circles.

Bottom line, in my opinion, a bureaucratic miscalculation (it happens to all of us) by the DOS. Friction and fog of war. Not an excuse. Just an admission we all make mistakes. Unfortunately, when we make mistakes they can be deadly.

What bothers me is;

1) What operation were we running in Benghazi?

2) I believe there is a good chance our Ambassador Stevens was lured into a trap by his meeting with the Turkish ambassador.






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I've always been of the opinion that there probably wasn't much that could have been done. Even the SOF team in Tripoli would have been a dicey proposition if you ask me. Of course, I think they should have been given the go ahead if they were willing to go. The LtCol in charge probably should have just pulled the trigger on the op himself. He was the on scene commander. That of course is arm chair General talk right there.

You're right, friction and fog of war played a huge part in this.

If the CIA was running some squirrelly shite out of Benghazi then they failed.pretty fricking hard. To allow an ambassador to get killed because of a covert gun running deal gone wrong is pretty fricked up. I'm no spy but I'm gonna assume that's pretty high on the list of shite not to do.







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I've always been of the opinion that there probably wasn't much that could have been done. Even the SOF team in Tripoli would have been a dicey proposition if you ask me. Of course, I think they should have been given the go ahead if they were willing to go.


Agree completely. As they are listening to communications coming out of Benghazi, they must have been incredibly angry and frustrated.

Win, lose or draw, their comrades were in danger and they were not permitted to respond. It was a matter of honor. That is how they saw it. And still do.






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I've always been of the opinion that there probably wasn't much that could have been done. Even the SOF team in Tripoli would have been a dicey proposition if you ask me. Of course, I think they should have been given the go ahead if they were willing to go. The LtCol in charge probably should have just pulled the trigger on the op himself. He was the on scene commander. That of course is arm chair General talk right there.




They were warned multiple times proceeding the attack that trouble was brewing and they needed more security. Why weren't assets moved to the region?



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Robert Gates on Benghazi
The Obama adminstration and the Sec of State lied to the American people and intentionally engaged in obfuscation of the truth in order to cover up what actually happened before, during and after the attack in Benghazi. That is irrefutable.

Does Gates say anything about that?






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If the CIA was running some squirrelly shite out of Benghazi then they failed.pretty fricking hard


Wouldn't be anything new about this.

The CIA has pretty much been a clusterfrick re:intelligence/counterintelligence ops since their inception. Read "Legacy of Ashes" by Tim Weiner. You'll see what I mean.






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The SOF element in Tripoli? No excuse.


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Little specifically addressed what military personnel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli were doing during the attack. Special operations personnel, he said, were in Libya in general support of embassy security and to aid the movement of embassy personnel.

Little reiterated that two service members did go from Tripoli to Benghazi that evening. These personnel were members of a quick reaction force quickly put together.

“We also had four personnel who continued a mission in Tripoli to support the relocation of American embassy personnel to that location,” Little said. “This is against a backdrop of uncertainty and concerns of threats to diplomatic installations throughout the region.”

The four personnel stayed in the area to relocate American embassy personnel from various embassy facilities to a U.S. embassy annex in Tripoli, Little said.

These four personnel attempted to travel to Benghazi. “The team leader of this four-man unit, called Special Operations Command—Africa to tell them that the movement of personnel to the annex was complete,” Little said. “He then reported his intention to move his team to Benghazi aboard a Libyan C-130.”

But by this time, the mission in Benghazi had shifted to evacuation. The higher command directed the team leader “to continue providing support to the embassy in Tripoli,” Little said.

“We continue to believe there was nothing this team could have done to assist during the second attack in Benghazi,” he added.

The four-man team remained in Tripoli and played a key role in receiving, treating and moving the wounded from Benghazi.


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If they had left for Benghazi they would not have gotten there before evacuation and they would have missed receiving the evacuees when they arrived in Tripoli. There was also an active threat against the Tripoli Embassy. I can't fault anyone for this call.






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They were warmed multiple times proceeding the attack that trouble was brewing and they needed more security. Why weren't assets moved to the region?


Well, that's the question on a lot of people's minds. My guess is either

a. The CIA was pulling some jamky shite in Benghazi and wanted to keep it low profile.

b. State didn't want to offend locals with a heavily armed presence

c. A combination of both.






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If they had left for Benghazi they would not have gotten there before evacuation and they would have missed receiving the evacuees when they arrived in Tripoli. There was also an active threat against the Tripoli Embassy. I can't fault anyone for this call.


Had they left when the initial element left there is no guarantee that there would have been any different outcome. None. But honor would have been served. And that is critical to a member of the military.

But I will cede the point on a potential threat to the embassy at Tripoli.






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Which of you pretends to know more than Robert Gates?
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When Gates was asked whether he thought that [Clinton engineering a coverup to protect her political future] might be a possibility, he replied flatly, "No."
Given his imbecilic response, there are few on this board who know less than that nitwit.





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If they had left for Benghazi they would not have gotten there before evacuation and they would have missed receiving the evacuees when they arrived in Tripoli. There was also an active threat against the Tripoli Embassy. I can't fault anyone for this call.


There was a FEST team in Spain, on alert when everything started, 4 hours away...


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FOREIGN EMERGENCY SUPPORT TEAM (FEST)

The Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) is the U.S. government’s only interagency, on-call, short-notice team poised to respond to terrorist incidents worldwide. The FEST deploys to assist and advise the U.S. Chief of Mission in assessing crises and coordinating U.S. government crisis response activities. The FEST includes representatives from the Department of State, Department of Defense, the Intelligence Community, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and other appropriate agencies, such as Department of Energy, as circumstances warrant. FEST composition is flexible and tailored to the specific incident and U.S. Embassy needs. The FEST provides specialized crisis response expertise to augment existing U.S. Mission and host government capabilities.






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Which of you pretends to know more than Robert Gates?

Any and All of us!






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FOREIGN EMERGENCY SUPPORT TEAM (FEST)


I'll admit to not knowing much about these guys. But from what I've read they're not a bunch of ninjas with machine guns that swoop into action. More like a team of experts that can advise local agencies on the best way to provide security or investigate attacks.






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but there could have been

guess we'll never know since our president and SOS decided "what difference does would it make".






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Rex



Jesus. Can you be any more lib?






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They could see but there could have been 100's more waiting for US reinforcements to mount a counter offensive. We could have sent troops but there were too many variables for the military to green light a rescue mission.


Wait. If the assumption at the time was that a protest caused by a video somehow morphed into a deadly attack on the consulate, why would they assume that these "protesters" had hundreds lying in wait to ambush a rescue force. That would certainly be a concern if this was thought to be a pre-planned and coordinated attack. But not something you'd really be concerned about with a riot gone bad.


They would have to have assumed it was a planned attack to see great danger in reinforcing the consulate. Their lines about endangering more troops blows up their protest story. Good observation.






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