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Rex
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Rex starts thread....Rex gets destroyed. It's a Poli Board tradition

Robert Gates would disagree with you... as would any intelligent person.

Aren't you the guy who insists that Saddam Hussein moved his WMDs to Syria?






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ljhog
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Which of you pretends to know more than Robert Gates?

Well in this case I ain't pretendin'!






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MrCarton
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Led by Lt. Col. Roberts. SOFREP never quotes a hard number but it apparently was up to twelve personnel. They were serving in several capacities, one of which was PSD (from time to time) for Ambassador Stevens


This. It was a few more than that at the height of their employment. Unfortunately they were asked to leave for reasons unknown to me.

When an oda is at an embassy they are not the top dogs concerning anything, to include security. Ultimately State typically calls the shots on who is doing what. In this case they decided to use contract LN security and ditch the ODA. That is pretty standard practice around the world. This was not a standard situation and I certainly think the ODA should have been left intact.

I am a little biased though because I know how stupid and arrogant state can be. That is a little harsh, but that is my experience. It is bureaucracy at its finest. Military guys are pretty damn low on the totem pole at an embassy with all the other agencies around. Nobody really gives a damn what they have to say until SHTF, then everyone wonders why they didn't go all rambo and HALO/scuba/sniper/ranger and rescue all the good guys.

Gates description "cartoonish" perfectly describes how i view the typical rescue scenarios people here think would have been appropriate.

I agree with a lot of the points you made in your other posts. A lot of people will misinterpret what you said because they don't have your experience and the perspective that comes with it.






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Wolfhound45
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But we didn't KNOW who was alive or dead until much later.We knew they needed help and it was not provided.


Very true.

I still would like to know if President Obama was in the situation room throughout the incident.






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Lsupimp
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We will never know. Because he won't tell us.





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Wolfhound45
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We will never know. Because he won't tell us.


Agreed. What transpired that night in the WH SR will never see the light of day. I do not want to be cynical, but I am of the opinion (and opinion only) that President Obama did not monitor the situation from start to finish.

Why? I can only speculate (and I don't like the direction that takes me).






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Choctaw
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Aren't you the guy who insists that Saddam Hussein moved his WMDs to Syria?


Yes....along with Saddams top military personnel and many others that don't get fed a constant stream of bull shite from MSNBC.






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Wolfhound45
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Aren't you the guy who insists that Saddam Hussein moved his WMDs to Syria?


So Syria has their own ability to produce WMD? Really? Since when? And why hasn't Israel done something about that production capability?






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MJM
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Yes....along with Saddams top military personnel and many others that don't get fed a constant stream of bull shite from MSNBC.

wait, so you believe that one of saddam's military personnel is a credible source of information but not a former republican secretary of defense in this case?






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Interception
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In other words, "i am ok sacrificing those four people. We shouldn't risk anyone else. "


Basically that's what military commanders have to do sometimes because losing 4 is better than 40. I keep repeating that they couldn't discount the situation as being a trap. Gates said their intel was none existent on the ground.






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Wolfhound45
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Gates said their intel was none existent on the ground.


Sorry, not true.

The CIA annex was monitoring a live feed from an unarmed drone throughout the fight. It was what enabled them to concentrate their fires and successfully defend their location. On their own initiative a seven person element (five DOS and two JSOC) deployed from Tripoli and reinforced the CIA annex. In addition, there was a SOF element in Tripoli that had local knowledge of the terrain (physical, political, human). They were directed not to deploy.

A response force was simply not sent. From a military standpoint, completely unacceptable.






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Interception
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They could see but there could have been 100's more waiting for US reinforcements to mount a counter offensive. We could have sent troops but there were too many variables for the military to green light a rescue mission.

The only thing I would have considered would have been drone attack along the perimeter of the consulate. As far as sending boots on the ground I think the military has a better grip on that than you or I.



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Gray Tiger
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What is so funny about this situation is that our Little Rexy who has an obsessive visceral hatred of anything Bush (he even hates Barbara Bush) will latch on to a Bush insider in order to justify Obama's Benghazi debacle.






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League Champs
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Frankly, had I been in the job at the time

You should have stopped there Rex. All he is doing is making assumptions from the lies we have all been told

He wasn't there, his opinion is worthless






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goatmilker
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I find it fascinating that in this debate many are using the 'they didn't know exactly what was on the ground' argument to defend a lack of action. This excuse could be used 365. There have always been risk and unknowns in military ops since the begining of time.

Poor cherry picken.



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Interception
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The CIA and Military decided not to intervene for a reason.

What was that reason we didnt send a rescue team you think?

Accusations are being made so let's hear it



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Gray Tiger
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Re election politics.





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tigerpawl
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Robert Gates would disagree with you... as would any intelligent person.

Gaslighting 101



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SoulGlo
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to send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence


People on the ground with phones, and a video drone in the sky isn't intelligence? WTF else is needed?






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Friscodog
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Rex starts thread.


So Rex. After 7 months of all of this debate, do you still believe that the attacks were just a spontaneous uprising of pissed off people due to an Anti-Islamic video? This was never a "terrorist attack"? Just asking...






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