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but if anyone here still believes that we went into Iraq looking for WMDs, I have this bridge in China for sale.


In your opinion what exactly was the motivation of Congress's choice to start a war? Both parties supported it.



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trackfan
Dude, stick to timing 100's and cutting down LoLo...you're decent at both...shitty at politics.



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In your opinion what exactly was the motivation of Congress's choice to start a war? Both parties supported it.


This. It was not "Bush's war". It had bipartisan support from Congress, based on the same intelligence reports that the White House had.

58% of Democrats in the Senate and 40% of Democrats in the House voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

Hillary Clinton voted in favor of it as well. Hillary Clinton - No regret on Iraq War vote



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In your opinion what exactly was the motivation of Congress's choice to start a war?

GOP Congressman Walter Jones said it best: political craveness and cowardice. He even admits being one of those cowards.

And Hitler's right-hand man, Hermann Goering summed it up this way:

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."






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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."


Wow, that hits a little to close to home






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Dude, stick to timing 100's and cutting down LoLo...you're decent at both...shitty at politics

You obviously know nothing about me, my post history or geopolitics. Perhaps you should go back to the O-T Lounge, the Gaming Board or whatever hole you crawled out of.






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It was not "Bush's war". It had bipartisan support from Congress, based on the same intelligence fabrications that the White House produced.


just because we all got duped into supporting the war doesnt relieve the bush administration from the responsibility. Reds and Blues got played just the same.

where did everyone get the "yellow cake" idea from? where was the white house's intel, that contradicted CIA and other first world intel agencies, getting their info? where did our assumption of iraqi WMD come from? what the hell was the Office of Special Plans?







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Bush's biggest mistakes where not going sooner and with a larger force.

This - PLUS the opinion that we could actually democratize the region.

I was with him on the latter also - It is inconceivable to me that human beings can not be attracted to the type of freedom we offer.

I have grown tired of responding to the Bush-haters about the 'lies' re: WMD or the overall rationale for deposing Saddam.

It was a continuation of the policy begun by Clinton, it had the almost unanamous consent of the US Congress and the only regret by the die-hard DEMs at the time was that it happened under Bush and thus didn't give Clinton the opportunity to be a war-POTUS.

What went wrong with the whole thing was that Bush became very popular and the DEMs had to undercut that popularity - so they did a 180 on everything they had said and believed in the first two years and the media picked right up on the meme and decided to convince the low-info voters that the DEMs had been against it all along.

But it gets tiresome repeating the logic to the idiot Obama knob gobblers on here.






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ChineseBandit58
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I'm a person that thought that Saddam still had chemical weapons and I still opposed the war because . . . .

Well now - this is a rational position. Your conclusion is wrong-headed imho, but at least you are not ignoring the fact of the matter - you analysis is just flawed, again imho.

My objection is to those who 'just knew from the beginning' that Bush was lying about the WMD and he took us to war for profit$$$$$.






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I'm not a Bush fan, but anyone who thinks Iraq didn't have chemical and/or biological weapons is an idiot.
Kurds all died of spontaneous natural dicksplosion, That's a real thing, probably.






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just because we all got duped into supporting the war doesnt relieve the bush administration from the responsibility. Reds and Blues got played just the same.

where did everyone get the "yellow cake" idea from? where was the white house's intel, that contradicted CIA and other first world intel agencies, getting their info? where did our assumption of iraqi WMD come from? what the hell was the Office of Special Plans?

I recommend reading "Fiasco" by Thomas E. Ricks. You will get the answers to your questions.

Research the main players in Office of Special Plans and their connections with Israeli intel. There lies the crux.



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They make plastic ones for her problem.





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I recommend reading "Fiasco" by Thomas E. Ricks. You will get the answers to your questions.


Required reading during my year at the Army War College. Highly recommend it. Very enlightening.






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Required reading during my year at the Army War College. Highly recommend it. Very enlightening.

Very enlightening...no doubt.



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Saddams own high officials said that WMDs were moved into Syria prior to the '03 invasion. All you have to do is look it up. One of them wrote an entire book about it.





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What went wrong with the whole thing was that Bush became very popular and the DEMs had to undercut that popularity
The Bush administration screwed up the after-invasion phase pretty badly, and took way too long to acknowledge that mistake with "the surge."






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One of them wrote an entire book about it.

I wonder how well that sold.






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ChineseBandit58
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Bush administration screwed up the after-invasion phase pretty badly, and took way too long to acknowledge that mistake with "the surge."


Bush was having to battle the DEMs in congress every step along the way.

When you have senators calling you a liar on the floor of the senate, it is a sign they are not going to cooperate with ANYTHING you want to do.

Remember this is the era when the Senate DEMs filibustered ANYTHING Bush attempted - from nomination to the UN to SCOTUS nominees.

And Obama has the gall to talk about an 'obstructionist' congress. He was a cooperating member of the most obstructionist congress in history.






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the most obstructionist congress in history.


I'm beginning to hope that this congress will be wearing that crown in another three years.






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stop. My sides are splitting from the laughter.

Where do you guys dig this shite up

Let's start at the beginning.
December 16, 1998 - “Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.” William J. Clinton

January 8, 2004 - Syrian journalist, Nizar Najoef, told the Dutch press that his best sources told him that Iraq had hid its WMDs in three sites in Syria:
1) Tunnels under al-Baida, two kilometers from Misyaf Village near Hama in northern Syria.
2) Tai Snan, north of Salamija, between Hama and Salamiyyah.
3) Sjinsjam located on the Lebanese border south of Homs.
Iraqi General Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti, says his sources also identified these three sites.

January 26, 2006 - Iraqi general, Georges Sada,who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

June 6, 2010 - Ha’aretz reports satellite photos of a site in Syria are providing new support for a Syrian journalist who reported that Iraq’s WMD had been sent to three sites in Syria.





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